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[Doors]

Is variance classic?

[fuark]

Originally Posted by A1551 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These changes are awesome, classic, and will make EQ somewhat more difficult (just like it really was on live). Why the complaints lol? Saying it's a "waste of developers time" or "just doesn't make sense" (my favorite right there) is pretty silly and I'm guessing a self serving justification to complain.

My recommendation first, for anyone who thinks these changes aren't classic, is to go read the bug threads for them to see the discussion/evidence posted. If you have evidence which contradicts the changes, post it, don't just complain about it here. For example, there is NO DOUBT single target 50+ buffs couldn't be cast on noobs in kunark timeline. Likewise with tracking. Classically tracking had no scroll bar so you could only see a limited number of results, meaning druids with their crappy 25 or 50 range track were actually better trackers, since their results were more relevant (ie closer).

The only legitimate/understandable complaint here is it doesnt hurt all the people who have spent years abusing these incorrect mechanics for personal gain as much as newer people. I can understand why that is upsetting. But that's not a good reason not to make the change. The goal of this server is to emulate classic EQ, the server's about to get more classic. Things will me much less exploitable, bigger groups or more time will be required to do stuff, many trivial accomplishments will now take more work., in a classically accurate sense. Despite the severe nerfs to the classes I love the most, I'm psyched [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only real concern is I think this will potentially drive a lot of people to risk cheating, especially people who own dozens of accounts they don't give a crap about who need tracking to know when raids mobs are up for their precious pixels. I hope Ephi is ready with his mighty banhammer to smite the increased number of evildoers out there into oblivion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Totally agreed with this post, even though animals not using weapons anymore is going to absolutely blow.

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is variance classic?

But, when you're right, you're right.

[KotBK]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read the thread. You can still cast group buffs on < 49.

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually that was halfway through LoY that they added that little tidbit.

I know it was around one of those later expansions that won't be seen on here as far as the buff nerfs. All i know is i remember them always working prior. Regardless certain spell durations should be fixed as well as the other blatant non-classic features if these are going to make their way in.

[Kagatob]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not disupting the part about single target, I started playing in Kunark and for the longest time I had always believed Skin like Nature was the highest lvl druid buff until Protection of the Glades in Velious.

Druid powerleveling with natureskin? Does not compute.

What they are proposing about the 50+ single target buffs actually makes a lot of sense. To clarify, LoY made it so that you couldn't cast Aegolism/Virtue/KEI/VoQ/BoT9/Glades on a >50 character.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not disupting the part about single target, I started playing in Kunark and for the longest time I had always believed Skin like Nature was the highest lvl druid buff until Protection of the Glades in Velious.

Druid powerleveling with natureskin? Does not compute.

What they are proposing about the 50+ single target buffs actually makes a lot of sense. To clarify, LoY made it so that you couldn't cast Aegolism/Virtue/KEI/VoQ/BoT9/Glades on a >50 character.

AH! I see where my memory let me down now.

[A1551]

Originally Posted by KotBK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know it was around one of those later expansions that won't be seen on here as far as the buff nerfs. All i know is i remember them always working prior. Regardless certain spell durations should be fixed as well as the other blatant non-classic features if these are going to make their way in.

This isn't true -- I played a cleric on live, never played past kunark (didn't even make it to Velious release) and I very distinctly remember having to use group heroic bond if I wanted to cast heroism on a low level. But don't take my word for it -- obviously what we remember is suspect. People post all sorts of totally wrong crap theyre "sure" of that is disproven by evidence others dig up. Head on over to the bugs forum, read the post concerning this, and then if you still strongly disagree with all the posted evidence located there, find some proof you're right and post it. Now my guess is you're not totally wrong -- EQ probably continued to make changes regarding this throughout it's timeline. You're likely remembering one of these later changes.

As to your second point, I agree totally. They should be consistent, and in most cases, if you can dig up some real evidence they'll make the change as they have time to, when the appropriate developer has some free cycles. Some obvious big exceptions out there (variance for example, F that BS). The only caveat is, I understand that this is a volunteer project with very limited resources. Many of these changes now being made ideally would have been made a long time ago, but that's not how things works on a volunteer driven project. Some of the issues you are referencing will undoubtedly get changed eventually, and some won't. Instead of complaining about the fact that everything isn't perfect right now, maybe relax, enjoy the server, and be happy Kanras has dedicated some of his own, unpaid time to fix some major nonclassic issues that plague the server, even if they might make your life harder in game.

[mwatt]

I'm all for adherence to classic. I wish though, that things like casters being OP and huge hit box from behind would also be corrected.

[KotBK]

Originally Posted by A1551 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't true -- I played a cleric on live, never played past kunark (didn't even make it to Velious release) and I very distinctly remember having to use group heroic bond if I wanted to cast heroism on a low level. But don't take my word for it -- obviously what we remember is suspect. People post all sorts of totally wrong crap theyre "sure" of that is disproven by evidence others dig up. Head on over to the bugs forum, read the post concerning this, and then if you still strongly disagree with all the posted evidence located there, find some proof you're right and post it. Now my guess is you're not totally wrong -- EQ probably continued to make changes regarding this throughout it's timeline. You're likely remembering one of these later changes.

Regardless of what some misinterpreted i referred to buff nerfs in general. Like someone else pointed out not ALL buffs level 50 plus should have restrictions which is what i've been referring to and is what the original message sounded like. In the original post it said lvl 50+ had restrictions which indicates all, which is simply not the case and shouldn't ever be on this server. As others have pointed out, yes it may be different than the current. However, a complete nerf to deny powerleveling or higher lvl aid is inaccurate. Knowing that isn't what is intended now makes sense. My memory is fine and i'm not incorrect.

[enr4ged]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is variance classic?

QFT

Seriously... all you people saying "these changes are classic and they are striving for a classic server" are being manipulated. There is SO much stuff on this server that is not classic and it's purposely that way.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by enr4ged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFT

Seriously... all you people saying "these changes are classic and they are striving for a classic server" are being manipulated. There is SO much stuff on this server that is not classic and it's purposely that way.

Amen brother. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]