General rant for the tanks out there who are being driven off the server.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by frefaln [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's some solid logic right there.

i thought the same thing. Actually even went back to reread the previous posts to see if they could make sense of that comment..

nope~

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by frefaln [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's some solid logic right there.

In my 10+ years of MMO playing it's been a pretty standard issue that people who try too hard to 'play nice', not curse, etc usually suck. Family style guilds where everyone is all goody goody nice nice are usually full of trash players, whereas every endgame guild I've ever been in or interacted with had some pretty awful language that on occasion even made me pause for a second, but at least they knew their shit.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I felt like this should be addressed in a public forum. I'm not going to name names but I think this community needs a heads up on what is going on in the majority of mid level groups for tanks.

A tanks job is to control the tactical combat of the group, be it through positioning, being the MA and picking targets, and occasionally pulling. They have to work with the the healer and puller to not over-pull or pull poorly. This out of the way lets get into the meat of the problem.

What is happening is an influx of very nubish ogre/troll tanks and ignorant group members who do not let the tank do their job, do not listen to the advice of a well seasoned tank that knows how to deal with different situations like fear, and caster mobs. These types are constantly harrasing people for playing tanks other then an ogre discounting them as worthless as well as their opinions.

If your going to invite a tank into a group at least listen to and try to follow what directions they give, especially when it comes to assisting mobs. Do not be a @$$hat and deliberately target other mobs with your pets then tell the tank that you were saving them or the bard/enchanter. Its not your job, your job is to kill the targets the tanks pick.

This is just basically how it is and how it has been in any successful EQ group since the dawn of time. When the newbs out there degrade and work against the tank then it causes group wipes.

So I don't care how big your EPEEN is or that you got an A in math class last summer if your tank says to do something just do it.

By no means is it easy to play a tank and they have much more stake in the success of a group because they rely on you not to get them killed in order to accomplish anything at all.

If you don't want to listen to your friendly tank, go and solo, and don't ever think of joining a group or being considered a decent player ever.

Remember that when the server is dieing and its hard as hell to find a tank. You can't rely on your guilds uber twinked tanks forever. You are loosing allot of good tanks to other classes and games because of this kind of ignorance. Eventually you will get to a point were ignorance is not going to cut it and no matter how well geared anyone in the group is they wont be able to save you constantly from your own stupid mistakes, nor will they wish to continue spending the time.

I would just like to add this small edit and say that what a tank brings to your group in knowledge far out ways any stats they may have incidentally accumulated over the course of a few hrs or days online.

Thanks, your friendly tank who is now playing a solo class because they are tired of all the shenanigans out there.

Sometimes the tank just sucks and can't hold aggro worth a damn so they should go play another class/quit. Sometimes they're just idiots and think 2h tanking on a warrior is a good idea with a weapon that doesn't have a proc.

[Gukag]

Malinrol, just wait untill you get to 30. Personally I've never run into a group that didn't assist the MT, or maybe just 1 guy in the group and the rest would get on his case about it, and occasionally a few pet owners not paying attention. But if that keeps happening once you are lvl 30, just feign death. They'll worry about the mob when it starts beating the crap out of the cleric. And you can get the aggro back easily with a quick taunt followed by disease cloud.

[Gukag]

Oh and another thing, this is just pure whining. If you want to play easymode and go solo with a pet class, just say so. Don't blame other people because you suck at tanking. I haven't dealt with low level groups in a while, but even in EC orc camps the majority of the group was always familiar with concepts like assist and aggro and CC for adds.

[Mady]

I'm a barb warrior in early teens. I don't get antsy about it.

Everyone knows taunt sucks and doesn't work on mobs of a higher con.

I have no procing weapons.

I just do what I can. Hit with an arrow on incoming. Stay in the mobs face. Try to position the mob so its back is to pets and rogues. Hit taunt when I loose aggro.

There isn't a whole hell of a lot more that I can do other than try to get aggro back as fast as I can after loosing it.

It's difficult to do more than the mechanics of the game will allow you.

[Stickyfingers]

Get a monk. Single pull everything, then keep chain pulling. In my late 20's early 30's I was still able to main heal on my Druid, because of the puller.

[vinx]

not everyone needs to come straight out and tell you to stfu and listen.
i do pretty good at getting my points across and commanding in /g and /gu without swearing to get the job done.
im in constant tells to my healer, and when needed my puller/mezzer and raid leaders, everyone else just do your jobs and converse or w/e it is you wanna do.
btw i did use a 2h thru level 50 and tanked phinny quite well with it my first attempt before i ever got yaks so fuck off! hahah

[Zyvixious]

Hell you have made alot of great points here and for those who dont know especially those enchanters who "know what theyre doing" and get themselves killed its all based on teamwork really but the huge issues is ignorant pet classes mainly mages and rogue who are too retarded to use assist keys and get their groups a harder fight for xp. Now about tanking as a whole its not too drastically hard and for those who arent so sure about what to do just take a quick look at what monsters you are fighting... casters pose the most threat to your groups and who ever can stun should spam those type of spells even if you are the healer, you will save more mana and time keeping those casters locked than just dps'ing it down, otherwise like i said before the problem with tankin is idiots who are too lazy to assist and thats all i ahve to say on that for now

[vinx]

true dark, maybe the quality of chanters has dropped tho, my chanters usually had them things spinning before i got my 2nd taunt off.
props to yiam / glitch and a few quality others [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]