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[Thulack]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't using a 3rd party program in and of itself a violation? It seems to me like someone created a program to give themselves an advantage in game. How can this not be considered a 3rd party program?

Because its not doing anything in the game. Its not modifying anything either. He is personally taking his logs which are generated by the game for everyone's use and uploading them in realtime to a website.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't using a 3rd party program in and of itself a violation? It seems to me like someone created a program to give themselves an advantage in game. How can this not be considered a 3rd party program?

"3rd party program" is usually in reference to software that gives you the ability to do things in the game that you wouldn't normally be able to do. If we were to use as broad of a definition as you are using, then that would make web browsers illegal too since you can use them to look up maps and item information.

Anything that just parses logs is fine, because that's purely just sorting information that you're already getting from the game already.

[Galvatar]

Ok here's my main problem with this:

Say this fellow gets 50 people onboard for a month which is in my opinion not an unreasonable assessment.

40p per day for let's say 30 days in said month for 50 people works out to 60k. So this dude has now made 60k for doing absolutely nothing / boxing an EC alt.

[Emphase]

if he has to be logged in to do this, hes giving up his playing time in exchange. unless hes exploiting ip exempt.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Emphase [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if he has to be logged in to do this, hes giving up his playing time in exchange. unless hes exploiting ip exempt.

unless he has a toon logged in at another location. Its not against the rules to have a toon logged in doing nothing.

[Emphase]

oh really? he can 2box as long as 1 character is in a different zone idle?

So yea galv I guess you are right

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Emphase [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh really? he can 2box as long as 1 character is in a different zone idle?

So yea galv I guess you are right

When i say different location i mean a different physical real life address. As i have stated in my previous example. If he has a toon setup at his work and he plays from home. I don't see how that would be considered 2 boxing aslong as he is not remotely playing the 2nd character at the other location.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by windo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these "technically" statements like a cute little young lawyer won't change the fact that what you're describing is using 2 characters for personal gain aka 2-boxing. If we're in the realm of "technically" then "technically" the idle character is generating platinum by uploading his log. How is that different from farming seafuries on one character and raiding on another?

This is an interesting point. The rule states that there must be one real person per logged in account. Now if my friend lets me run EQ on his PC all day so that I can have a bot sitting in EC while I play my main, that means I have access to and the advantage of two accounts at once correct? Unless of course my friend is actually active in game, and he is donating his time to help me make more plat.

Now im sure this will be equated to having someone sell an item for you in EC or something along those lines, the only issue is that that can't happen unless that other person is actually at the comp and playing.

Not sure if it really could be a 2box ban, but its an interesting point nonethless.

The fact still remains that the only in game transaction going on for this service is plat being exchanged for a login to private website.

Could we please get a GM to settle this? If its allowable I would love to setup a "CC any zone in the game and check any spawn in the game live feed website"

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could we please get a GM to settle this? If its allowable I would love to setup a "CC any zone in the game and check any spawn in the game live feed website"

How are you going to get a character in every zone in the game to obtain the logs for that?

[Bidoof]

Originally Posted by windo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like a cute little young lawyer

Why thank you.

won't change the fact that what you're describing is using 2 characters for personal gain aka 2-boxing. If we're in the realm of "technically" then "technically" the idle character is generating platinum by uploading his log. How is that different from farming seafuries on one character and raiding on another?

Wifeaggro, the guy who made this, has already said that he has a friend or two who keep their characters logged in for this.

Originally Posted by wifeaggro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a friend who has a character and afk in EC

EDIT: for real, I have few more friends being the client side just in case one of the clients disconnected or crashed

Someone who has been on the server longer than I can fix this analogy for me, if its inaccurate. I remember reading forum posts about mages farming kills while afk by keeping a pet on spawn points, before some nerf changed that. This would be like that.

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact still remains that the only in game transaction going on for this service is plat being exchanged for a login to private website.

This is now a fact? I once again refer to the statement I've already made about this that I promised to stop bringing up but apparently can't.

Could we please get a GM to settle this? If its allowable I would love to setup a "CC any zone in the game and check any spawn in the game live feed website"

That would be an awesome website for some people. I personally wouldn't use it (just like I wouldn't use my client's), but still a good idea. I'd be interested to hear how you'd do it within the established rules of the server.