Any Young-Earth Creationists?

[Ravager]

Nevermind. I've been won over by the argument that things that we can't comprehend at first glance can only be explained by something even more incomprehensible.

[Ravager]

That's because god created logic and therefore is not bound by its rules. Logically, god is illogical.

[Ephirith]

You know what's silly, let's say the big bang happened:

At that instant, every action for the entire life of the universe was determined. With sufficient capacity to perceive and comprehend information, one could plot the future trajectory of a single particle, or every particle, from the moment of origination, into eternity.

You were always going to make the decisions you did, and a being with a godlike capacity for perception could have observed the universe billions of years ago, and seen an almost infinitely complex string of events and interactions creating, and leading up to, the specific conditions and characteristics of your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

Ladies and gentlemen, free will is empirically false, and if an infinitely capable God manipulated your life, chances are he did so at the instant of creation and then never again.

How does it feel knowing you do what you will, but you don't will what you will?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what's silly, let's say the big bang happened:

At that instant, every action for the entire life of the universe was determined. With sufficient capacity to perceive and comprehend information, one could plot the future trajectory of a single particle, or every particle, from the moment of origination, into eternity.

You were always going to make the decisions you did, and a being with a godlike capacity for perception could have observed the universe billions of years ago, and seen an almost infinitely complex string of events and interactions creating, and leading up to, the specific conditions and characteristics of your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

Ladies and gentlemen, free will is empirically false, and if an infinitely capable God manipulated your life, chances are he did so at the instant of creation and then never again.

How does it feel knowing you do what you will, but you don't will what you will?

I'm clinging to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenb...inty_principle

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm clinging to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenb...inty_principle

science? gtfoutta here!

and for the sake of fun can we stop reffering to the creator as "god" and something for humorous like optimus prime or papa smurf

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but this isn't true at all. Someone knowing the outcome of an event has zero impact on your free will ability to make that choice in the first place. It's no different then saying that having a gun to your head means you have no free will. Even with a gun at your head you still have a choice. The only reasonable argument that could be made against free will are babies since they essentially don't have the ability to exercise their free will and are entirely dependent upon the free will of other beings to care for them.

Why goes on when you make a decision? Your brain chemistry, your upbringing, the state of your consciousness, all coalesce to produce an outcome. But all of those things are determined by external influences. Brain chemistry, by genetics and environment. Your aggregate experiences shaped you to be a certain way. The state of your consciousness is the way it is because of all the events that happened before and during your life, including the construction of your genetic code.

Again, you are choosing what to do, but you aren't choosing what to choose.

You don't have an ability to make a choice other than the one dictated by almost infinitely complex, linear interactions of causality stretching back to the beginning of time, or infinitely.

[OMGWTF420]

big z!

[Hailto]

Ephirith is dunking on you fools.

[Ravager]

Belief in a god by its nature is close-minded and ignorant because you only ever consider a single possibility that has no evidence beyond myths and the song and dance of charlatans who are allowed to tell you what to think while your skull is still soft. Religious people can never be objective for this reason. Because they can't be objective in their reasoning, they aren't rational in their reasoning. And since their reasoning is fundamentally irrational, pretty much every argument they make in favor of magical super beings with no evidence to back their claims can be discounted with a healthy dose of skepticism.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. ~Christopher Hitchens

[Zadrian]

Evolution.

Also, please stop stating that just because there are inanimate objects that humans created, that must mean there is a god. That's a bad analogy.

Your idea of DNA is also somewhat innacurate.

I found this article for you.

http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/a...fe-itself.html