OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO - Page 49

lecompte · #**481** 12-31-2013, 11:11 AM

This thread was.... interesting. More interesting than work, anyway. The "Official Proposal" requires too much GM intervention. I'm a fan of point system cause you know EVERYONE will keep track of that!~

williestargell · #**482** 12-31-2013, 11:14 AM

I'm not sure "commenting" on specific points of this agreement is worthwhile at all at this point. It seems to me that what was said about two factions existing is indeed the case. This proposal is unlikely to fly with the Cat B guilds without more radical change.

1) Enforcement is Key - not just enforcement of what mobs are available to who, but enforcement of training, ninja-looting, other dirty tricks. Requiring a 5 out of 6 super-majority pretty much eliminates any chance of enforcement. Competing with TMO/IB/FE is not the problem - putting up with their dirty tricks IS. Cat B guilds will still want to compete all month long and if we're getting intentionally trained, then we need the power to raid suspend, suspend toons, and even perma-ban people. There needs to be some radical change to this area.

2) The Cat A guilds need to give significantly more. Cat B guilds are not looking for anything for free, but saying you can have a handful of mobs one week a month (during which week the mob might never spawn) is completely and totally insufficient.

3) There is nothing in here about what happens when Velious comes out.

There are other proposals out there, and there will have to be compromise. Getting this done by the 2nd is highly unlikely. That's ok, we can all live without raid targets for a few days in order to achieve an agreement that will have more long-lasting benefits to everyone.

Rhambuk · #**483** 12-31-2013, 11:16 AM

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This thread was.... interesting. More interesting than work, anyway. The "Official Proposal" requires too much GM intervention. I'm a fan of point system cause you know EVERYONE will keep track of that!~

People are so anti gm intervention, im not sure if its they dont want to cause trouble on volunteers or if its something else but I am sure there are more than enough people that would be willing to volunteer to silently watch raids to make sure rules are followed.

Gm status, invisible don't show up on who no one would even know your watching, rules broken pop up stop it reset. if it goes smooth great.

I just don't see why people don't want the gm's involved

-Catherin- · #**484** 12-31-2013, 11:18 AM

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FE/IB/BDA/Taken/Div/TMO leaders all met in vent for 3 hrs

no policy was agreed to.....

we meet again on Wed

cross your fingers p99......

The good news that as a result of the meeting of the minds (or neckbeards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) was that alternatives have been discussed, as well as an alternative that the "majority" of the guilds would be on board with. It was not unanimous though. Because of that not going into any further detail of what "might be"

hopefully though they can get the remaining 10% on board soon.

heazels · #**485** 12-31-2013, 11:19 AM

My proposal is a server wipe. Yours is almost good though npnp

heazels · #**486** 12-31-2013, 11:33 AM

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TMO cannot kill trakanon unless he goes uncontested for 2 hrs since they have reached their allotment of trakanon teeth(600 teeth).

heazels · #**487** 12-31-2013, 11:41 AM

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TMO cannot kill trakanon unless he goes uncontested for 2 hrs since they have reached their allotment of trakanon teeth(600 teeth).

Also turn off multiquesting, verant has always said it was a bug from the beginning and never intended... Thats why quest items are no drop.

Rhambuk · #**488** 12-31-2013, 11:43 AM

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Also turn off multiquesting, verant has always said it was a bug from the beginning and never intended... Thats why quest items are no drop.

I've never seen a statement from verant claiming it was a bug.

and if it was it would be the best bug ever, so terrible to let epic drops rot because your wizard that needed the piece couldn't be online that night. Sorry man it dropped but we let it rot maybe youll get one in the next 6 months....

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Though I do agree it should be turned off here.

heazels · #**489** 12-31-2013, 11:46 AM

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I've never seen a statement from verant claiming it was a bug.

and if it was it would be the best bug ever, so terrible to let epic drops rot because your wizard that needed the piece couldn't be online that night. Sorry man it dropped but we let it rot maybe youll get one in the next 6 months....

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Though I do agree it should be turned off here.

Unfortunately the message boards don't really exist anymore, not even on archive.org but it is true none-the-less. Think about it. Why would they take the time to make items NO-DROP? DUH

heazels · #**490** 12-31-2013, 11:48 AM

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I've never seen a statement from verant claiming it was a bug.

and if it was it would be the best bug ever, so terrible to let epic drops rot because your wizard that needed the piece couldn't be online that night. Sorry man it dropped but we let it rot maybe youll get one in the next 6 months....

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Though I do agree it should be turned off here.

how about, oh we cant farm trak teeth anymore, multiquesting is turned off so lets not prevent other guilds from getting in VP so much