So that's it for the election.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's actually grad school. If the conversation is getting too tough for you, you may as well bow out or look more like an idiot trying to insult someone whose actually trying to have a conversation. Do yourself a favor and grow up out of your pre-teen ways.

#1 you can't just slightly change up my insult and then use it on me, that's against the clowning rules bro.
#2 you JUST SAID that you can disprove the existence of god with unanswered prayers. If -that- is your level of intellectual rigor, I guess I'd better give up on getting on your level, coz it's just never gonna happen.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The validity of god. How is logic invalid? It's logical to believe that when turn a light on by it's switch that it will turn on unless the light bulb is burnt out. However, imo it's pretty easy whether or not to tell if there is or isn't a god simply by praying for the most unselfish thing possible. Religion in god was built as a control mechanism to get everyone to cooperate. The validity of god may not be fully testable in the "does he exist or doesn't he" But there is some major reasoning behind why he doesn't exist.

Right now, I suspect there are many people voting for Obama's re-election. I suspect there are at least as many people voting for Romney's election. What is a loving and merciful God to do?

Sorry, it's not a paradox, it's a joke. We get this unbelievable nightmare of free will, complete with manipulation and corruption.

[Alawen]

Shit. I meant praying, not voting. I have to go to work. Bye.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atheism is NOT the lack of belief in a deity figure, no matter HOW modern atheists try and make it so. The lack of belief in a deity figure is far closer to agnosticism.

The simple roots of the word atheism, and historical usage of the word until the last decade or two is the denial of possibility of the existence of a deity.

The above is the definition by which I crucify (lol) atheism on the same cross with jesus.

you are actually wrong here, as usual.
Theism is the belief in a god or deity figure. (a) in english is a negative modifier.
Atheist is not having belief.
It applies across the language.
Social or asocial
Asocial is not being social. Anti-social is not the same as asocial
Maybe you are thinking of anti-theism....but I highly doubt you think.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The root is the Greek atheos, "without gods." It was an insult. Modern atheism has many forms and variations.

I would argue that the vast majority of modern atheism is actually a misnomer for agnosticism. Hitchens et al., have been trying to change the meaning of the word for a while now to try and provide another socially acceptable choice for people. Hitchens at least has said as much. It doesn't make agnosticism atheism, and it doesn't make atheism anything but what it is, the belief that there is not a higher power.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are perpetuating a false dichotomy.

I see what you mean, but please try and understand the above, as that more fully explains what I mean. I am not trying to paint a picture of black and white, I'm trying to paint a picture of all the gray area that 99.99% of the population miss by choosing either black or white.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not black to an atheist's white. My position is that the entire conversation is pointless noise with a contrived and baseless explanation for the unknown and, in some cases, unknowable.

So from that basis, do you find that: there IS a god for sure, there is NOT a god for sure, or that the lack of evidence prevents you from taking a position? (theist, atheist, and agnostic)

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a- as a prefix means "without or against."
Atheist = "without or against the existence of god"

Now if you put that definition in perspective with the root theist, which descibes one who believes in god, the a- solidifies on the "against" or opposite (a-moral), rather than the "without" version of the definition (a-sexual).

Anti is against, a is without. Sorry you got confused

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you are actually wrong here, as usual.
Theism is the belief in a god or deity figure. (a) in english is a negative modifier.
Atheist is not having belief.
It applies across the language.
Social or asocial
Asocial is not being social. Anti-social is not the same as asocial
Maybe you are thinking of anti-theism....but I highly doubt you think.

a- as a prefix can mean several different things depending on context. Go look it up.

[nilzark]

How long does it take to read 479 replies? And what is the record?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a- as a prefix can mean several different things depending on context. Go look it up.

you should probably go look it up

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 you can't just slightly change up my insult and then use it on me, that's against the clowning rules bro.
#2 you JUST SAID that you can disprove the existence of god with unanswered prayers. If -that- is your level of intellectual rigor, I guess I'd better give up on getting on your level, coz it's just never gonna happen.

I don't believe that I said I could disprove the existence of god. I can only make reasoning against his existence. The only logical reasoning behind god not intervening in the world's problems would be "free will." So instead of trying to prove/disprove that there is a god, we should be looking at proving/disproving that there is a devil who doesn't care about free will it all.