Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[shovelquest]

Someone abusing their ability to hand out suspensions is not the W you think it is sam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone abusing their ability to hand out suspensions is not the W you think it is sam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see how much raging he was doing in the wiki? The suspension was well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see how much raging he was doing in the wiki? The suspension was well deserved.

This is a lie.

Please show me where the flaws are in my math. You didn't address this post at all:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=651

I did actually forget to include OP's regen. 15 HP from Fungi + 10 From Dain Ring + 12 from Iksar regen = 37 HP per tick. In 126 seconds OP would have regenerated two Wort Pot Clicks. So 8 charges of a 10 Dose Wort Pot. OP's regen is why it looks like he only took ~6000 damage in the video instead of the 6500 damage recorded in his parse.

If it isn't an [S] kill, what is it?

[Snaggles]

People can either barely beat difficult npcs using a set of advantages and detailing those transparently…or die and keep record of how much health they depleted of the mobs before that happened.

Which is more ideal?
“I killed it with A and B, but not C”
Or…
“I got %t to 32% before it killed me. Gonna go add myself to the solo kill sheet.”

This is horrendously stupid.

[Goregasmic]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Solo means with no outside help but you can't claim with a straight face you had no outside help if you're raid buffed for the attempt. You can't also claim getting haste/regen/maxhp/stats from buffs doesn't create a HUGE gap between that player and the one who does a "pure" solo (only self buffed) so putting both types of attempts on the same level is unfair.

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

And then we could discuss puppet strings.

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it was NOT a solo kill. You used outside help. And you need to seek serious outside help IRL to remedy your total lack of reading comprehension and failure to understand basic math.

What you did is one specific mode of playing the game that falls within the "challenge" spectrum. In terms of the actual definition of the word "solo", it's not what you did. But again, the solo challenge page is not about a singular definition of the word solo. It's something that reflects the many different ways the game can be approached. The solo challenge page also includes Duos, and the Duos follow all the exact same rules about using outside help and consumables.

You are the only one gate keeping the definition of a "solo kill" under YOUR OWN standards. There's a reason the wiki had a whole section about what is and what is not allowed for outside buffs, and for which classes. Convenient that you deleted all of that to support your own argument. Anyone can claim anything is true if they're the ones editing the history books. Do I need to copy/paste it every time you post to remind everyone that all of this is your OWN AGENDA that you're trying to push, and goes against the very standards that the creator of the challenge set.
"In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

It doesn't get any more clear than that. Nothing you can ever say will change what the original standards for the challenge were. Funny how you only saw the need to change things after someone posts a video like this, but nooo you're not envious at all, right?

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not. How about this, if you want to create a rank higher than what was previously listed, then how about you go out and prove that its possible under those conditions before you make up said rank.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

LOL OK - So let me get this straight, now raid gear is considered outside help too?? Jesus, the levels of copium here are insane.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

No one here is trying to "default them to being all the same" at all. We're just simply saying that adding a rank higher than what was previously considered the top echelon of the challenge should only be done after someone proves that it's even possible to do so in the first place. You can't sit there and claim "wElL yA, bUt YoU cOuLd'Ve DoNe It UnDeR hArDeR cOnDiTiOnS" if no one has ever shown that its even remotely possible to do under those conditions.

My no charge kill was done under the absolute hardest conditions that anyone has ever solo'd the king under. There's only been 2 people that have solo'd the king prior. One used multiple "strong clicky" charges like puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc. The other used multiple characters for the kill (a druid for the pull, and then a chanter for the kill). Trying to claim that the person who did it self buffed using multiple characters is the same thing as someone doing it solo with one toon is whats disingenuous here.

If you want to create an S+ rank, then login and show us that its possible before you try to theorize your bullshit from the sidelines.

[vales]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not..

there are more targets than spore king and more classes than monk, so it makes sense for that to exist in general

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by vales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are more targets than spore king and more classes than monk, so it makes sense for that to exist in general

I would argue that you should only be able to add a higher rank than what already exists if YOU can backup your own claims and kill it under those conditions yourself first.

Sure there are a ton of targets that you can kill without buffs or consumables, that doesn't mean that a no charge spore king kill (one of the most difficult mobs to solo under ANY conditions) shouldn't receive the highest rank just because someone claims that it might be possible without buffs, with zero evidence to demonstrate that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by vales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are more targets than spore king and more classes than monk, so it makes sense for that to exist in general

The reason why the self buffs no consumables rank is unfair is because casters have a much easier time doing self buff no consumable kills.

The self buff no consumables rank basically excludes melee classes on harder content. That is probably why the solo challenge page didn't create that specific rank, to be fair to classes with more of a disadvantage.

As a simple example, I can solo Ionat self buff only no consumables. That is a harder mob than Fungi King. But I am a Shaman. I'd be way more impressed if a Monk soloed Ionat. But I would have the higher rank because my class is better at killing Ionat. It's not really fair that I get the higher rank for the relatively less impressive kill compared to the Monk.

[vales]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The self buff no consumables rank basically excludes melee classes on harder content. That is probably why the solo challenge page didn't create that specific rank, to be fair to classes with more of a disadvantage..

idk why each class wouldn't just have its own category of kills, I assumed it did? seems weird to try to lump all classes together when they are unfairly balanced to begin with

it'd be cool to see the limits of a wizard, for example, displayed cleanly in its own section