ugh... ToV rotation wtf??

[Kye1709]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really trying to flex or say 'oh wow look at how good we are.' I think the original point was if you put forth the effort, you can get raid bosses too. Someone asked what targets we got this cycle so I listed them. Somewhere between 'AM gets all the targets on the server ever' and 'only AoW / Doze / Vulak matter' is where the truth lies. You might not be able to just waltz into ToV with a bunch of fresh-faced raiders and start scoring Vulaks and Dozekars effortlessly, but you CAN work your way into the raid scene a little bit at a time. I remember a time where AG could barely handle Vindi or VS. I'll take the targets I listed over that any day.

This.

And for the record plenty of us in AM want loot off the targets AG/Core/BG get every cycle for our mains not some random alt.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really trying to flex or say 'oh wow look at how good we are.' I think the original point was if you put forth the effort, you can get raid bosses too. Someone asked what targets we got this cycle so I listed them. Somewhere between 'AM gets all the targets on the server ever' and 'only AoW / Doze / Vulak matter' is where the truth lies. You might not be able to just waltz into ToV with a bunch of fresh-faced raiders and start scoring Vulaks and Dozekars effortlessly, but you CAN work your way into the raid scene a little bit at a time. I remember a time where AG could barely handle Vindi or VS. I'll take the targets I listed over that any day.

Please, please, please, stop calling it effort! You're sitting on your ass, staring at a screen waiting to push a button.

[keen]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please, please, please, stop calling it effort! You're sitting on your ass, staring at a screen waiting to push a button.

So leveling CoTH mages, shared clerics, shared dps, farming idols, learning rules, learning pulls, building out databases of mob information, tracking for timers, moving melee binds, actually placing the coth mages, teaching others how to pull/run trains, buying/farming clickies (soulfires, reapers etc), recharging.. isn't effort? Makes sense.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by keen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So leveling CoTH mages, shared clerics, shared dps, farming idols, learning rules, learning pulls, building out databases of mob information, tracking for timers, moving melee binds, actually placing the coth mages, teaching others how to pull/run trains, buying/farming clickies (soulfires, reapers etc), recharging.. isn't effort? Makes sense.

No, that's turning a video game into a 2nd (or 1st!) job, which sadly is the barrier of entry to raiding on this server.

[branamil]

Am really wanted last nights yelinak. Many a salty tear was shed. Gratz AG

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gratz AG

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[arsenalpow]

In the history of velious how many contested AoW, Doze, and Vulaks have gone to the non Rampage, AM, Forsaken, Tempest, etc guilds?

[Dillusional]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am really wanted last nights yelinak. Many a salty tear was shed. Gratz AG

I was salty and I'll explain why. Stalling a permanently rooted dragon means taking too long to damage it to the point when it begins to summon players (97% health). If there is no time limit to get Yelinak to 97% health, I could FTE yelinak on my <Dial A Port> druid and then just stand out of melee range until the server resets. Some may say that "as long as Yelinak is being tanked, it's not a stall." But without a time limit, it's too easy and tempting to cheat by engaging early and then moving the tank in and out of the melee range of the dragon.

The concept of FTE messages and this dragon being permanently rooted don't mesh well. That is why any guilds that plan to engage Yelinak should join an agreement, which clearly defines what a stall is. Awakened and Aftermath had an agreement that said you had to get Yelinak to 97% health within one minute of engaging or everyone with agroe had to disengage and log out.

That's why I was salty, because AG turned the Yelinak meta on its head by employing a strategy that encourages cheating and it will get someone suspended eventually if an agreement isn't reached about a time limit for getting Yelinak into summoning range.

[Fingurs]

Originally Posted by Dillusional [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was salty and I'll explain why. Stalling a permanently rooted dragon means taking too long to damage it to the point when it begins to summon players (97% health). If there is no time limit to get Yelinak to 97% health, I could FTE yelinak on my <Dial A Port> druid and then just stand out of melee range until the server resets. Some may say that "as long as Yelinak is being tanked, it's not a stall." But without a time limit, it's too easy and tempting to cheat by engaging early and then moving the tank in and out of the melee range of the dragon.

The concept of FTE messages and this dragon being permanently rooted don't mesh well. That is why any guilds that plan to engage Yelinak should join an agreement, which clearly defines what a stall is. Awakened and Aftermath had an agreement that said you had to get Yelinak to 97% health within one minute of engaging or everyone with agroe had to disengage and log out.

That's why I was salty, because AG turned the Yelinak meta on its head by employing a strategy that encourages cheating and it will get someone suspended eventually if an agreement isn't reached about a time limit for getting Yelinak into summoning range.

You were in Tempest when we busted AM for doing this, and all AM (the guild you're in now) did was complain about how stupid lawyer questing this was.

So now we like rules? :P

[Dillusional]

Originally Posted by Fingurs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were in Tempest when we busted AM for doing this, and all AM (the guild you're in now) did was complain about how stupid lawyer questing this was.

So now we like rules? :P

lol I was salty when that happened too! But you're right, Aftermath did try to pull a fast one there. Memblur is definitely not in the spirit of a Yelinak agreement. You can just instant FTE to stall and then memblur Yelinak when you are actually ready to engage without penalty.

I can see how a group of AG was eager to try an early engage, not realizing the implications of such a strategy. Likewise, I can see how a group of Aftermath thought it was clever in that moment to memblur Yelinak, without thinking about the implications. Trying to get away with something "clever" is something we all fall victim to from time to time.