Stop the Socking

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they know if they do nothing the status quo remains and they'll still get their 75%. Throughout the history of this server the hardcore side has only done what was best for the minority of hardcore players.

To be fair, this was entirely Catherin's (and several other Class R guilds) approach when these talks were originally stalling and Class C was desperately looking to move things forward.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, this was entirely Catherin's (and several other Class R guilds) approach when these talks were originally stalling and Class C was desperately looking to move things forward.

I respect your opinion but I think you're incorrect. All sides were at fault to be frank. Not reaching a resolution meant that everyone would miss out, but now in this situation the status quo will remain which leaves class C largely unaffected. I get that position, why change if you don't have to? The change would be what's best for the server, not just what's best for the 10-15% of the server that belongs to TMO/IB

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unbrella, do you even care what happens to this server? Because constantly shitting on the playerbase taking taking taking taking and giving no fucks has been the usual message the hardcore players have had since day 1.

I'm not here to discuss what I believe in or my vision for the server, which is much different than you think it is. What I am here to do is represent the interests of Class-C in the most mutually favorable and accommodating way to Class-R.

[Breaken]

Mazam,

Prior to playing on p99 i actually spent a few years playing/raiding with Breaken in a pretty close knit guild.

Yes, we absolutely did.

Having obviously gone our separate ways since then, on multiple occasions now he's always made it a point to express his distaste for TMO, under the usual claims that our play style ruins the server.

What on earth are you even talking about? I have seen you in game... twice? Once was while tracking Faydedar, where all we talked about was Razzari and Elyda.

I have once told you that I no longer want to spend 8 hours a day raiding on this 15 year old game. That must be what you are referring to.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my final thoughts: it's admirable R will look out for each other in the way they do

but when it comes to working with C, you guys really need to stop worrying about what will benefit them and what will benefit you and instead focus on 'what is fair to both parties that benefits us all?'

if you guys came to the table keeping the division of mobs the same and had some ideas about variance reduction/removal of overlap, without trying to get something more out of it, you might actually get somewhere.

also Chest I'm not just directing all these posts at just you - I know you've conceded C should have their fair stake, but R as a whole isn't on that level yet

I have two threads open on our boards talking about trying out a race here in the near future

I completely agree with Chest that trading off 1 form of poopsock for another doesnt 'fix' anything just makes it different however.....

Sometimes different could be more fun, and if we can have more fun while we work on a BIGGER MORE REAL change like R/C FFA on repops or something close to that which revolves around shorter variance, less socking etc etc etc

then that is the ultimate goal.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mazam,



Yes, we absolutely did.



What on earth are you even talking about? I have seen you in game... twice? Once was while tracking Faydedar, where all we talked about was Razzari and Elyda.

I have once told you that I no longer want to spend 8 hours a day raiding on this 15 year old game. That must be what you are referring to.

notice no denial of Fathering COH ducking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] <3 Breaken

[Breaken]

Oh, I definitely started it. I have no problem admitting it. As Eratani said though, I did it as a joke, and whoever was on Onyxheart at the time got all freaked out, and started doing the same, over and over.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not here to discuss what I believe in or my vision for the server, which is much different than you think it is. What I am here to do is represent the interests of Class-C in the most mutually favorable and accommodating way to Class-R.

So what so you consider mutually favorable? So far the only solutions I've seen from your side is footrace rules for the FFA cycle or having class R completely concede FFA making it C/C/R. Those solutions won't change the culture.

[Breaken]

I wasn't going to post here, but now I started...

Lazie,

Calling foot races a competition is absurd. It is the same "luck" as cothing. Who will hit that autorun first!? Who will be that millimeter closer (because let's all be honest, there is no way in hell everyone will be 100% on top of each other) so their range attack hits first!?

This will not stop the socking. Even by saying you can only have 3 in the zone, that just means there will be 40 on the other side of the zone. Nice solution.

[Daldaen]

Ideal case no one will sock on the other side of the zone and if they are, should raid suspend.

I put the 6-man cap to allow someone who arrived just before window or mid window for a camp out to get a quick symbol/hero from a camped cleric and then camp themselves.

The ultimate goal of what I suggested is to get rid of poopsocking with an entire force:

Foot racing allows for this somewhat. CotHing is a quick cast then run back to camp. Foot race is a run to the mob AND back. This allows for more time for people to log in, etc. Which allows you for greater success without poopsocking. That goes for all guilds.

And hopefully after its succes, it will show the devs we can handle ourselves and not sock, to warrant very small variance.

Very small variance is the absolute most crucial end goal here. If there were very small variance that meant we would only be tracking for an hour before spawn or less EVERY mob, WAYYY more guilds would partake in the FFA scene, which will be more fun for everyone competing.

FFA respawns would still provide a better form of competition. But a foot race with small windows can make the competition less neckbeardy and still somewhat of a rush to setup and engages a mob.