Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order - Page 47

Socratic · #**461** 07-30-2014, 11:56 PM

We actually had no idea which dragon was going to be hitting the zone in first, which is why we had a trainup at all.

I've already posted several times that picking up a trainup from someone else is easy, and done often, and thus you don't "fuck over" anyone by dropping yours if the other guild is pulling. I don't know how many times I have to say it. It's never been an issue before this, ever, because it's not hard and each guild has been responsible for their own pull.

It's stupid to change something that's been working reasonably well for months and force competitive guilds to aid each-other during pulls AND add a highly exploitable rule that allows you to get your competition suspended when you do something stupid/malicious.

pufen · #**462** 07-31-2014, 12:25 AM

this is getting super boring.

Hitpoint · #**463** 07-31-2014, 12:27 AM

Phil, you are obviously not a puller, you are not in TMO or IB, and you have never raided VP. Your knowledge is lacking in every single area.

IB probably averages between 30-35 people for a VP dragon. TMO probably averages 40-45. The days of anyone having 60+ in VP are long gone. The screenshots of 15 TMO pullers, are clerics, enchanters, warriors and other classes who are logging in monks/necros/sks that they have access to. Because the dragons are easy enough that if we get FTE, we will kill most dragons no matter what. It's absurd to believe that we bring 15+ pullers to VP, at least not without sacrificing other vital classes.

Hitpoint · #**464** 07-31-2014, 12:38 AM

What I mean to say is, you are arguing with people who know a lot about these things. And your posts show that you're out of your depth.

Freakish · #**465** 07-31-2014, 12:39 AM

I like to sit on my monk at the pad and switch to cleric if we get the pull. Plenty of time before dragon reaches zone in.

Bazia · #**466** 07-31-2014, 12:40 AM

i think we need more tmo in here to contribute to the discussion

Sckrilla · #**467** 07-31-2014, 12:50 AM

Sup. TMO is right and IB is wrong!

Happy?

Lazie · #**468** 07-31-2014, 12:52 AM

Holy wall of angry text.

Lazie · #**469** 07-31-2014, 12:56 AM

I will respond though. There was no waiting. Hoshkar was going to zone in on IB no matter what we did with Druushk. It was IB's aggro. We weren't to blame for any of it period. It was their puller/raid leader making bad calls. The rest of that jumbled mess I am not even attempting to read.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**470** 07-31-2014, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a guild is killing stuff that can summon in fear, and your guild wants to risk attacking cazic, then that's the risk. At worse case, you have one person get summoned before guild_001 zergs down cazic.

Snipped for emphasis. That's not how cazic rolls. The trash will rotate to whoever cazic has threat on, and being so far out of range will continue to summon anyone else who tries to get threat. Cazic is literally going to have to be done with sowed / selos melee chasing him while another guild keeps 2-3 summoning mobs in summoning range if this kind of shit will stand. Park wizards elsewhere I guess.