most underpowered class in game?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that we answered the question (magician is the answer) what is the most OVERpowered class?

Enchanter hands down. Their toolkit makes them amazing at Soloing, Grouping, and Raiding.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that we answered the question (magician is the answer) what is the most OVERpowered class?

The OP Triumverate is Enchanter, Shaman, Monk.

Enchanter is #1 though. Charm and Mez are crazy OP. Especially Mesmerize level 4 that costs only 20 mana. When I played enc I used level 4 mez as a mez, mem blur, root, pacify, etc all in one.

Torpor and cannibalize = infinite mana, infinite HP. Add a 70% slow AND an unresistable -50 all resists debuff. *chefs kiss*

Favorite is definitely monk though. Feign Death, Sneak and Elder beads along with mend and triple attack is also OP AF. Monk can get anywhere, by only moving for 3s at a time. Monks can also do Rogue-like DPS with 2hb and swapping out for epic h2h between swings. I have done 8 attacks in a single round of combat before on a monk. Monk at 60 with 2hb weapon swap can theoretically hit 3 attacks with 2hb, then an additional 6 attacks with h2h, and an additonal riposte for a total of 10 attacks. And since epic haste stacks with worn, an epic T staff monk with 34% worn haste gets 35 rounds of combat per minute, for a potential 9 hits per round.

[loramin]

The thing about Enchanter is, while it's 100% correct, it's also a very P99-specific answer.

The class was far more balanced back in classic: if you could take a time machine back to 2001, and ask this same question of EverQuest players, they would have said Druid or Necromancer, or maybe Mage or Shaman; if you told them "the answer is Enchanter", they would look at you like you're crazy ("You mean the class that mezzes and gives clarity? How are they powerful?").

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing about Enchanter is, while it's 100% correct, it's also a very P99-specific answer.

The class was far more balanced back in classic: if you could take a time machine back to 2001, and ask this same question of EverQuest players, they would have said Druid or Necromancer, or maybe Mage or Shaman; if you told them "the answer is Enchanter", they would look at you like you're crazy ("You mean the class that mezzes and gives clarity? How are they powerful?").

Agreed, on live in 2001 people wouldn't have said Enchanter. But a lot of that came down to lack of game knowledge and what people played. Necromancers and Druids were considered to be much stronger because you weren't playing the same expansion for years at a time, so the flashy soloing and grouping characters were considered to be OP. They could get through an expansion faster, and therefore get more prepared for the next one.

[Troxx]

Yeah nah … I never ran across a rogue in a group that beat out my mage in sustained damage output (mage pet + mage personal dps combined). I parse everything. A high end velious raid geared rogue at level 60? Sure, but you don’t find too many max xp raid geared folks slumming around in xp groups.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah nah … I never ran across a rogue in a group that beat out my mage in sustained damage output (mage pet + mage personal dps combined). I parse everything. A high end velious raid geared rogue at level 60? Sure, but you don’t find too many max xp raid geared folks slumming around in xp groups.

That's my point. Rogues can eventually beat out a Mage, and this does vary based on mob resistances and if the mob is slowed. You basically have 0 personal DPS if your DD's can't land and the mob is slowed, taking less damage from a DS.

I would be interested to see these parses and what the Rogues gear was, if you have it.

[Jimjam]

Mage pet still slaps compared to well geared players in xp groups. I think they just struggle in velious raids cos of the level difference.

Pet vs 45-55 mobs = fine. Pet vs 65-70 mobs = not so pretty

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage pet still slaps compared to well geared players in xp groups. I think they just struggle in velious raids cos of the level difference.

Pet vs 45-55 mobs = fine. Pet vs 65-70 mobs = not so pretty

Oh yeah, their Pet does great DPS. No disagreement there. It just can't scale as well as a player, and their damage isn't amazing enough to make up for a Mage's lack of CC and Utility in solo situations at higher levels. Plus pet bugs make them risky to use in more situations than an actual player. This applies to all pets obviously, but Mages are the most dependent on theirs, so it hurts them the most.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's my point. Rogues can eventually beat out a Mage, and this does vary based on mob resistances and if the mob is slowed. You basically have 0 personal DPS if your DD's can't land and the mob is slowed, taking less damage from a DS.

I would be interested to see these parses and what the Rogues gear was, if you have it.

We’re talking your standard 50s xp group rogue with epic and a decent 1hander to pair it with. Even 55+ with double backstab.

Mage pets alone will outdamage a lot of melee classes if you take the time to get a max summon and buff it appropriately. Nuke push the mage over the top and we’re talking a lazily tossed 1-2 nukes per fight … not a full out burn. In burn mode mages are ludicrous in xp groups … but that’s not sustainable. This still ignores the mage dmg shield which isn’t insignificant.

Remember we’re talking groups here. Mages get the shaft in the raid scene.

Full disclosure: I haven’t dusted off my mage since the higher end pets were dialed back a bit.

[Troxx]

So yeah no … with the exception of raids mages are nowhere near the most underpowered class … not by a long shot. For levels 1-60 count they are incredibly powerful … both in groups and for solo potential.