Mages are up shit’s creek I guess

[Glasken]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 character levels above the spell level itself. So character level 26 to trivial train research to trivial for level 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors, the unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their pet spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 level above the spell level itself. So 26 to trivial train 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors. The unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

So necros are undesired in groups, yet you are always in a group, and mages should learn to group?

Because necros have to research important spells?

Going to report your post, I don't think you've played Everquest, ever.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So necros are undesired in groups, yet you are always in a group, and mages should learn to group?

Because necros have to research important spells?

Going to report your post, I don't think you've played Everquest, ever.

Always in a group, because we have pre-made groups. Or guilds. Or, you know, friends [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I havn't played EQ before. Maybe I have.

Fight me.

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[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always in a group, because we have pre-made groups. Or guilds. Or, you know, friends [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I havn't played EQ before. Maybe I have.

Fight me.

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Thanks for the offer, but people that practice martial arts aren't legally allowed to engage in conflict with mentally disabled people.

I hope you can resolve your eq status and mental issues soon.

Thots & prayers.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 character levels above the spell level itself. So character level 26 to trivial train research to trivial for level 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors, the unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their pet spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

Enchanters are definitely super powerful, but idk if I would say they have most of their toolkit without research. They definitely get a ton of spells without research, but their slows, mem blurs, and aoe stuns past level 12 all require research, as does their pre-Kunark aoe mez. These are big ones for an Enchanter in a group setting, so I guess it depends on what you want to do with your Enchanter (although I think you could also argue the stuns are critical for a soloing Enchanter when charm breaks heh). Their top charm spell at 49 is also from research.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters are definitely super powerful, but idk if I would say they have most of their toolkit without research. They definitely get a ton of spells without research, but their slows, mem blurs, and aoe stuns past level 12 all require research, as does their pre-Kunark aoe mez. These are big ones for an Enchanter in a group setting, so I guess it depends on what you want to do with your Enchanter (although I think you could also argue the stuns are critical for a soloing Enchanter when charm breaks heh). Their top charm spell at 49 is also from research.

Yeah but they just research the spell. Magician have to research the complete spell line each time they want their spell. Still, its doable.

[Spock2020]

I notice a long time ago that there's people who are allergic to any tradeskilling.EQ try with many epics who need some even velious got a big 1 coldain but for some it's a big no no. What can we do.

[Nirgon]

Meanwhile, in Norrath.... there are lvl 30+ mages

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meanwhile, in Norrath.... there are lvl 30+ mages

Those who want to play mage will level to 50 without any problem, it's still a broken mechanic implemented for "selectively classic reasons".

We will work harder on a mechanic that make no senses, for no good reason. And we already had to make inexistant classic fix to make the broken mechanic work past the point where it had to do it at launch.

So to recap. To not lose face, to maintain a broken mechanic, P99 have made a fix that have never existed on live just so we can delay to real fix that happened on live for a couple of weeks.

Thats some serious "classic" shit right there.

P.S. All pets, all classes, still not on classic pet damage tables.

[Jimjam]

A bit like level 37 warriors will be scraping together all their plat buying short swords that drop off a level 47 mob.