Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

INFLECTION POINT!

having thoroughly lost the argument raging for the past 221 pages, we see see (practically in real time) the hamster wheels turning in DSM’s head …. Pocket cleric! Arguments around pocket clerics start to coalesce …

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly it depends on the camp at that point. If you want to do Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric/X, it would depend on what you want to do. Mage would be better for something like Chardok Royals, where CoTH is necessary. Necro would be better for pulling at Fungi King Camp. Shaman would be better at Ixiblat Fer for the better Malo -> Malosini -> Slow.

If you want everything at once, Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Mage + pocket cleric would be the best. You hit the 200 DPS breakpoint, you have enough utility/safety to do every camp, and the Shaman can swap to the Cleric for res or occasional CH to save the Necro/Mage spell reagents. That is what OP ended up picking, possibly minus the pocket cleric.

And immedy, hilarity ensues!

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No pocket cleric you’re just inventing variables at this point. It’s a 4 person caster only group, if you want a cleric it has to be one of the 4. As you said above the best would be three enchanters and a cleric, zero need for shaman in your own words

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody said you can't have a pocket Cleric. OP didn't specify this. Please stop making stuff up.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole topic of the thread is best 4 person caster group. Now you’re just making up reasons to take the shaman “well you could have a pocket cleric”. If no pocket cleric best group is three enchanters and a cleric, that’s what you said…or should I quote it for you?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where does it say "Best 4 person all caster/priest group without a pocket cleric"?

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s amazing I got him to make my argument for me so he invents a new variable “WELL IF YOU HAD A POCKET CLERIC” lol

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4 person group, the cleric is either in the group as 1 of the 4, or doesn't exist. Where does it say Best 4 person caster/priest group with pocket alts?

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By that logic, one of the members can literally have a geared 60 of every single class to swap in, and at that point it doesn't fucking matter what comp the group has because they can change it.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup, because obviously pocket clerics are just as common as having level 60 characters lol. /sarcasm.

I don't think you realize you can have a pocket cleric that is level 49 for the 90% res and Complete Heal. Between four people it wouldn't be tough to level one up during the downtime between groups.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, it's over for you, my friend. You've been thoroughly defeated in this thread. Your fat, Ogre corpse lies here disgraced on page 224. Luckily for you, however, I am able to rez you back to the forum index with my pocket Cleric.

Tips appreciated.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're excluding a cleric to heal the charm pet which would be tanking. You're going to heal it with torpor and slow the biggest source of your DPS? This is even dumber than your enc/enc/shm/clr argument you've been making for 700 posts.

Just fucking give it up already. You fucking lost. Get over it.

… and as quickly as the idea was born it seemed to fizzle by page 225. Don’t worry folks, it’ll make a come back

Wait wait … edit update… Now page 229. conversation has moved on and Vex slays the room with another zinger!

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that a Cleric in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Looks like Troxx had a full-blown meltdown. 5 nonsense posts in a row.

The post history still exists, regardless of his nonsense. Troxx has simply added more evidence he is a troll, and has extreme delusions about this thread. He can't change the post history this way sadly. He was trying to walk back his admission of being a troll too. Trolling harder is not how you walk that back.

I asked Troxx if he could name a camp where a Cleric would be better than a Shaman at least 60 pages ago. He couldn't answer. In a different thread PatChapp could name Chardok Royals right off the bat. I have been waiting for Troxx to say "Chardok Royals" for 60+ pages now, but he couldn't do it.

He wonders why his credibility is in the trash. He dodges a question for 60+ pages via trolling, when it could be answered immediately if he knew as much about the game as he claims. Or he could have said he didn't know. There is nothing wrong with that. He just can't be wrong though. He hides in his safe space by trolling when he can't answer a question.

PatChapp also said he did Chardok Royals with a 52 Cleric. More evidence for using a pocket cleric!

Thank you Troxx for previously admitting there is no objective restriction on pocket characters in this thread. Troxx is simply interpreting the title subjectively. He fabricated the no pocket character restriction out of thin air. All of Troxx's arguments against pocket characters are invalid. He cannot use an imaginary rule as an argument.

It is sad that Troxx tries so hard, but can't make progress. Perhaps he should change tactics and address the topic for once. Clearly his current tactics are backfiring.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I asked Troxx if he could name a camp where a Cleric would be better than a Shaman at least 60 pages ago. He couldn't answer. In a different thread PatChapp could name Chardok Royals right off the bat. I have been waiting for Troxx to say "Chardok Royals" for 60+ pages now, but he couldn't do it.

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The big lvl 60 cash camp that requires enchanters/cleric is chardok royals.

It sounds like we're in agreement now that there exist camps that need (as in require) clerics, while DSM has not been able to name any camp that needs (as in require) a shaman for this 4-man caster group.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like we're in agreement now that there exist camps that need (as in require) clerics, while DSM has not been able to name any camp that needs (as in require) a shaman for this 4-man caster group.

You forgot the second quote:

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The lowest we've used is 52 and mana was very tight. If queen has a shield 52cleric is really hairy

This camp can be done with a 52 cleric, which is a pocket cleric. I am glad we are in agreement that Chardok Royals does not need a level 60 main Cleric to do it. We are also in agreement that no objective rule exists in this thread preventing pocket characters from being used.

Vaniki is a camp already named where slowing would be difficult without a Shaman using Malo, and a single Cleric would run out of mana before the fight was over. This means the Cleric is getting support from the Shaman for healing and extending the time between CH.

Fungi King and West Waste Dragons are two camps where a Shaman is better than a Cleric.

This means you have 3 camps where you'd want a 60 Torpor Shaman thus far, and two camps for Cleric, at least one of which can be done with a pocket Cleric.

Chardok Royals were already discussed earlier in the thread. Troxx spent 70+ pages trolling and dodging instead of providing such an easy answer. I wonder why.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like we're in agreement now that there exist camps that need (as in require) clerics, while DSM has not been able to name any camp that needs (as in require) a shaman for this 4-man caster group.

Correct

BUT MUH POCKET CLERIC

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At work. Will continue my read-through when I find the time. Currently page 307 and literally 98% of it so far is DSM arguing the same thing to the same people without saying new things

[Duik]

So the sham is torp tanking and either/both/all of the following... spot healing any chanter, malo, root, sunbeam, rotting 3-4 other mobs with epic, AndAnythingElseIHaventThoughtOf.

Chanelling must really be broken if we can be certain of not eating an interupt at an inopportune moment at some point.
With such a central and important group roll what with tanking and dpsing and healing and rooting etc being "ready" could pose a problem.

Is this what dsm is suggesting is the best?

[bcbrown]

Troxx in your re-read has anyone been receptive towards or in agreement with DSM's pocket thoughts?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx in your re-read has anyone been receptive towards or in agreement with DSM's pocket thoughts?

Towards pockets?

Not yet but I’m only on page 250.

Towards shamans being capable of doing any kind of dps remotely resembling mages?

No - none. Not one.

Page 251:

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao this is still so amazing. This guy freaked out at everyone about how Shaman does better DPS than Mage. Spent weeks going like "I provided data that Shaman does better DPS than Mage"

Then when Allyshia parsed and her Mage did better DPS, DSM changes the argument to "better DPS is meaningless" and is now pretending like he never argued that Shaman's DPS was better than mage

This is awesome to watch lmao

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a brief summary of the past 250 pages:

Attachment 18760

Awww bless her heart:

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I won the parse! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx in your re-read has anyone been receptive towards or in agreement with DSM's pocket thoughts?

The arguments against pocket characters were based on a false claim that there was a rule stating pocket characters could not be used. Even Troxx has admitted there was no rule stating pocket characters could not be used. He made it up.

This invalidates the arguments against pocket characters.

It also shows people were willing to make stuff up to try and change the debate.

[bcbrown]

DSM, I don't think you've convinced a single person over pocket characters. Who agrees with you? I believe there's a broad consensus amongst everyone who's shared an opinion on the matter that it's not relevant.