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[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one knew that until after it was announced.

So what? This has always been a criticism of FTE - that in many cases it is not clear who got it until the mob is dead and the logs are looked at. This is why 'FTE shout' became a purported remedy to begin with.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Drui gets DT'd

2. Scorchin gets DT'd

3. TMO engages

4. FE sits on thumbs

FTFY

1. Drui gets DT'd. CT resets. The aggro log gets wiped because CT has not been killed on this encounter. Hence Drui is not on the encounter log which spreads from the first to be on the aggro list of CT in the same encounter as he is killed.

2. Scorchin aggro's CT, and thus a new encounter log forms the second that Scorchin aggro's CT.

3. TMO engages CT.

4. Scorchin dies.

5. TMO kills CT.

6. The encounter logs show Scorchin as having FTE because he was the first on the aggro list of the particular encounter in which CT was killed.

7. Alarti attempts to reduce the thread about the interpretation of these facts to a shit throwing contest by consistently posing them in a confused and nonsensical manner.

8. Zeelot gives Alarti top shelf dog food to reward a job well done.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

doesn't matter.

DTs have been ruled against as being FTE many times, not sure why anyone would have thought that it would have been this time either.


Sochin went for FTE snipe, got DT'd and you guys thought he failed, some how guide says he got FTE with a DT, your guild immediately goes... oh, we were pulling it... soandso was running to it... we had mysterious bowman on the grassy hill, but he sucks at coordinating dt/pull tactics that everyone in the raiding scene knows how to properly do.


yea, I'm gonna drinking this kool-aid.

CT's DTv.2(SuperHarmTouch), not the zone wide DTv.1, can take a while to activate, which is what occurred to Scorchin. Drui took DTv.1, starting zone wide timer. Scorchin aggro'd first after that, then people jumped on the aggro list after him, causing the mob to stay engaged after Scorchin got DTv.2 which registered him as FTE on the encounter log.

[Mon Nov 12 10:05:21 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:21 2012] Cazic Thule says 'DRUI'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:24 2012] Taelara says, 'Hail, Cazic Thule'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:26 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:29 2012] Kaltion tries to pierce Cazic Thule, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:29 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'SCORCHIN'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule crushes Kaltion for 381 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule tries to crush Kaltion, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule bashes Kaltion for 230 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Biggslick tries to slash Cazic Thule pet, but Cazic Thule pet's magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but Biggslick ripostes!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to bash Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but Biggslick ripostes!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet hits Biggslick for 19 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to kick Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but Biggslick parries!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to bash Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:32 2012] Biggslick slashes Cazic Thule for 19 points of damage.

Thus resulting in the encounter log have places 1, 2, and 3.
[Mon Nov 12 10:07:49 2012] Ephi says out of character, 'FTE -> Scorchin, Kaltion, Biggslick'

This isn't difficult to deduce.

You may continue to comment about their version of the story.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Drui gets DT'd. CT resets. The aggro log gets wiped because CT has not been killed on this encounter. Hence Drui is not on the encounter log which spreads from the first to be on the aggro list of CT in the same encounter as he is killed.

2. Scorchin aggro's CT, and thus a new encounter log forms the second that Scorchin aggro's CT.

2.00000000000001. TMO engages CT.

2.00000000000002. Scorchin dies.

3. TMO kills CT.

4. The encounter logs show Scorchin as having FTE because he was the first on the aggro list of the particular encounter in which CT was killed.

5. Sorchin clearly wasn't trying to engage CT

6. No other member of FE was on the aggro log or anywhere near CT

Just helping you clear up information

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[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what? This has always been a criticism of FTE - that in many cases it is not clear who got it until the mob is dead and the logs are looked at. This is why 'FTE shout' became a purported remedy to begin with.

So what? I just told you.

IF your guild was going to actually pull, there would have been a second FE member on that log right after Sochin or not very far behind. HE was never there. If you call for an engage, two people will hit the target in quick succession on a raid target that DTs. One to eat the DT, one to gain FTE and pull.

Your guild didn't have any of the second part, just a single person that ate a DT, which oddly enough, is something that happens on failed FTE snipes.

Basically, your guild didn't decide that they were pulling until after they found out that the person who ate a DT managed to also have FTE.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CT's DTv.2(SuperHarmTouch), not the zone wide DTv.1, can take a while to activate, which is what occurred to Scorchin. Drui took DTv.1, starting zone wide timer. Scorchin aggro'd first after that, then people jumped on the aggro list after him, causing the mob to stay engaged after Scorchin got DTv.2 which registered him as FTE on the encounter log.

[Mon Nov 12 10:05:21 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:21 2012] Cazic Thule says 'DRUI'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:24 2012] Taelara says, 'Hail, Cazic Thule'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:26 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:29 2012] Kaltion tries to pierce Cazic Thule, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:29 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'SCORCHIN'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule crushes Kaltion for 381 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule tries to crush Kaltion, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule bashes Kaltion for 230 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Biggslick tries to slash Cazic Thule pet, but Cazic Thule pet's magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but Biggslick ripostes!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to bash Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but Biggslick ripostes!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet hits Biggslick for 19 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to kick Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to hit Biggslick, but Biggslick parries!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Cazic Thule pet tries to bash Biggslick, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:32 2012] Biggslick slashes Cazic Thule for 19 points of damage.

Thus resulting in the encounter log have places 1, 2, and 3.
[Mon Nov 12 10:07:49 2012] Ephi says out of character, 'FTE -> Scorchin, Kaltion, Biggslick'

This isn't difficult to deduce.

You may continue to comment about their version of the story.

Normal DTs are in shouts.

CT has his Zonewide DT list that starts on aggro and then he has his shout (like Innys). It's not a harm touch, it's a DT, like every other mob that DTs.

AKA, you have Cazic's touch list and then you have his death touch shouts. They both do the same basic thing.

Sochin went to pull, even if it took him a second to get DT'd, his pull partner should have been on the aggro list as well (if they were actually trying to pull)

Sochin is the only person on the aggro list from the other guild.

AKA. failed FTE snipe, they thought they didn't have FTE and made up the Pull story afterwards.

Please, by all means, tell me how they were pulling if what I'm saying is incorrect.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normal DTs are in shouts.

CT has his Zonewide DT list that starts on aggro and then he has his shout (like Innys). It's not a harm touch, it's a DT, like every other mob that DTs.

AKA, you have Cazic's touch list and then you have his death touch shouts. They both do the same basic thing.

Sochin went to pull, even if it took him a second to get DT'd, his pull partner should have been on the aggro list as well (if they were actually trying to pull)

Sochin is the only person on the aggro list from the other guild.

AKA. failed FTE snipe, they thought they didn't have FTE and made up the Pull story afterwards.

Please, by all means, tell me how they were pulling if what I'm saying is incorrect.

I say failed, but he didn't actually fail, it just had all the appearances of a fail.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normal DTs are in shouts.

CT has his Zonewide DT list that starts on aggro and then he has his shout (like Innys). It's not a harm touch, it's a DT, like every other mob that DTs.

AKA, you have Cazic's touch list and then you have his death touch shouts. They both do the same basic thing.

Sochin went to pull, even if it took him a second to get DT'd, his pull partner should have been on the aggro list as well (if they were actually trying to pull)

Sochin is the only person on the aggro list from the other guild.

AKA. failed FTE snipe, they thought they didn't have FTE and made up the Pull story afterwards.

Please, by all means, tell me how they were pulling if what I'm saying is incorrect.

The only FE members either 1. Know they were trying to FTE snipe or 2. Are incapable of understanding a CT encounter. There's no need to keep saying the same thing 100 different ways.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Heebo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only FE members either 1. Know they were trying to FTE snipe or 2. Are incapable of understanding a CT encounter. There's no need to keep saying the same thing 100 different ways.