ugh... ToV rotation wtf?? - Page 45

Fingurs · #**441** 02-06-2019, 08:47 PM

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Unfortunately the way things are right now, trains result in unintended player deaths in ToV more often than they don't. People get trained with stuffs. If the goal is to stop all the petitionquest resulting from the training in ToV, then banning training is the most direct route to that. A rotation, of course, could also stop the petitionquest, but a lot of people are very strongly opposed to a rotation, and the way the rotation was described in Braknar's post left a million loose ends and ways that guilds could just get utterly screwed. Instituting a 'no trains ever' rule would still allow people to compete for their dragons and it would solve the problem.

Of course, like I mentioned earlier, if the people complaining that they want competition ACTUALLY just want easy and exclusive loot, then the 'no trains ever' rule is horrible for them because it means they have to actually work for their kills, instead of logging in, hitting auto-attack on a dragon that is hand-delivered to them at zoneline, and collecting their dkp and pixels. The best thing that could happen for these folks is no change at all.

First off - the people who didnt like rotation was 99.9% Aftermath.

I dont recall AG/Core/BG/PS/Tempest coming out in droves against it. If they did, I apologize, I must've missed that.

2nd of all - banning the 'trainers' is not enough, because most nerds on here have like 8 toons. This benefits gigantic guilds like - oh wow, look at that, AFTERMATH. You guys average 18 monks at a raid. So you ban, 1 for 7 days, Then another, then another, then another....etc.etc.etc. but again were back to petition quest over who trained who and how.

Take NToV pulling as an example - the Wyverns would get trained all the time. Sometimes it was obvious it was done on purpose, other times it was not so obvious - but the amount of angles and everything you would need to cover yourself was / is stupid.

All of this comes down to how Rogean wants to run his server.

If he wants people to be happy, then its a rotation.

If he wants competition, then leave it how it is.

Trying to conflate the 2 is just flat out bad.

There is not such thing as happy competition. Either you deal with it, or you suppress it.

Heebs13 · #**442** 02-06-2019, 08:51 PM

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First off - the people who didnt like rotation was 99.9% Aftermath.

I dont recall AG/Core/BG/PS/Tempest coming out in droves against it. If they did, I apologize, I must've missed that.

2nd of all - banning the 'trainers' is not enough, because most nerds on here have like 8 toons. This benefits gigantic guilds like - oh wow, look at that, AFTERMATH. You guys average 18 monks at a raid. So you ban, 1 for 7 days, Then another, then another, then another....etc.etc.etc. but again were back to petition quest over who trained who and how.

Take NToV pulling as an example - the Wyverns would get trained all the time. Sometimes it was obvious it was done on purpose, other times it was not so obvious - but the amount of angles and everything you would need to cover yourself was / is stupid.

All of this comes down to how Rogean wants to run his server.

If he wants people to be happy, then its a rotation.

If he wants competition, then leave it how it is.

Trying to conflate the 2 is just flat out bad.

There is not such thing as happy competition. Either you deal with it, or you suppress it.

At least take the time to read my post - I clearly said the whole guild should get DQed and possibly raid banned, not just the player who does the train.

Also, I'm in AG, not Aftermath. There was quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the rotation as proposed, for many reasons.

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Fingurs · #**444** 02-06-2019, 08:58 PM

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At least take the time to read my post - I clearly said the whole guild should get DQed and possibly raid banned, not just the player who does the train.

Also, I'm in AG, not Aftermath. There was quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the rotation as proposed, for many reasons.

I did - whole guild banned is petition quest. Sorry if that come off as clear.

Lastly, I dont get why AG would be upset with the rotation, it would benefit you guys, but I digress.

Detoxx · #**445** 02-06-2019, 09:15 PM

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I did - whole guild banned is petition quest. Sorry if that come off as clear.

Lastly, I dont get why AG would be upset with the rotation, it would benefit you guys, but I digress.

AKA - "Im an idiot and have no idea what im talking about but will continue to spew Aftermath rhetoric because even when im proven wrong im still right."

Heebs13 · #**446** 02-06-2019, 09:16 PM

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I did - whole guild banned is petition quest. Sorry if that come off as clear.

Lastly, I dont get why AG would be upset with the rotation, it would benefit you guys, but I digress.

Don't want to get petitioned? Don't break the rules.

There's like 10 threads on why the rotation was a bad idea. Here's the Cliff's Notes:

Rotations are boring
There are over a dozen EQ servers already in existence that have rotations or instancing. If you want a rotation or instancing, play on one of those.
There are a dozen MMOs that have instancing. You could play on one of those.
Rotating TOV allows Aftermath to focus 100% on all the other zones. You would get approximately zero targets outside of TOV with the proposed rotation.
No one wants to wait a minimum of 9 weeks between TOV attempts.
Some of us worked hard to get where we are. A rotation would negate that work.
The ruleset as described by Braknar would mean if an earthquake happens during your week, too bad, you get skipped.
The ruleset as described by Braknar would mean you could kill your dragons at the end of your week and cause the next guild to lose out on approximately 50% of their dragons due to spawn variance.

The only way the proposed rotation would benefit AG is if you look at it purely from a 'do I get more free Vulak and Doze pixels?' standpoint. If you take any of the above into consideration, it doesn't benefit us at all. The only people it benefits are people who kill an average of zero raid targets in ALL zones each week and who just want things handed to them.

Want your fair share of loot but you don't want to deal with trains in ToV? You want trains banned.

Want free loot without having to work for it? You want a rotation / instancing.