Stop the Socking

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only reason I say 1 FFA cycle is... I'd hate a new guild to step in to attempt it and make a mistake first shot and have to skip 2 cycles of FFA on a mob their guild prioritizes.

I could deal with that I suppose.

If you do it more than once though, more harsh things like full raid suspension for all targets etc.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok...You can just leave this thread if you want to continue posting false information. Trains do happen from all guilds on every engage in the game when players who are new at it make mistakes. No one denies that. Ask the guilds we have raided around how many times we have given up mobs when these things Happen.

IB- has gotten several mobs we surrendered when we made mistakes.
Taken- Got a VS

These are the ones I know about. I was away for a month or two so if any happened while I was away I wouldn't know about them. I know of 8 or 9 situations where we gave other guilds mobs or didn't attempt mobs because of our errors. That is the most on the server btw. US trying to make things right.

you obviously missed the part where i said becouse it couldn't be proven, you need to read better.

Taken got the VS becouse it was undeniable proof (and only got that when we showed you the fraps, you didn't admit to it until after..) i'm sure IB is well aware of all TMOs tricks to train ...

and this is a public discussion.. make a post that matters in the raid discussion thread if you dont want me telling the truth here.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could deal with that I suppose.

If you do it more than once though, more harsh things like full raid suspension for all targets etc.

I think we are on a good track here. I don't think an issue has ever come up on these races between us and IB where a person not at ZI got FTE. So I'm not to against this. People just need to know to keep their trackers out of FTE range really. Alright heading home from work. Be back in a bit.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing. GM's said no to a reduction in variance, but if it was lowered and the guilds all stopped being dildo's and came to a reasonable set of engagement rules it would go a long way.

Think they would still say no if this agreement is made though?

Poopsocking is a symptom of the windows.

If people can agree to number in zone/tagging and the time spent on those trackers/taggers is drastically reduced. You'll see far more guilds competing, and less poopsocking (because aforementioned agreement).

If we do the agreement, and variance isn't reduced, it may help Taken/BDA. But I'm not sure who else would enter the fray with 1 tracker, 2 taggers for a 16 hour window.

[Tameth]

holy shit. move this thread to rnf. play red to avoid 46 pages of bullshit.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the variance should be adjusted so that the mob doesn't spawn on the same time of day on the exact same day each week.

this could be done by either adding or subtracting the hour but not varying on both sides.

people play on this server at different time zones and days. don't alienate them by pigeon-holding spawns to the same day and time each week.

Fair point. So that it gets forcibly pushing in one direction?

So like... 7 Days + 0-60 min? Instead of 7 Days +/- 30 min?

Or is there some better way to make sure it doesn't alienate euros or asian time zone people?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Tameth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy shit. move this thread to rnf. play red to avoid 46 pages of bullshit.

lol what?

This is the most civil point of the conversation. We are at a point of agreement. This isn't /disc and chain stun someone to steal 37k from them bad... Like your recent experience on red...

Don't turn into that guy tamtam. We don't need more "join red" forumquesters. Swish fills in enough for the entire population there.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair point. So that it gets forcibly pushing in one direction?

So like... 7 Days + 0-60 min? Instead of 7 Days +/- 30 min?

Or is there some better way to make sure it doesn't alienate euros or asian time zone people?

If you wanted to do this you would need to change the mean spawn time such that it is not a multiple of some number of days, not the +/- (which is what adding the 'variance' one sided does, it makes it a spawn of every 7 days 30 mins +/- 30 mins, or 7.02 days +/- 30 min)

So rather than every 7 days + one-sided variance, you could think of it as spawn every 7.358 days +/- whatever variance you want.

[Tameth]

One particle of unobtainium has a nuclear reaction with the flux capacitor - carry the '2' - changing its atomic isotoner into a radioactive spider. Fuck you, Science!

[G13]

40+ pages of tarded