OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[lecompte]

This thread was.... interesting. More interesting than work, anyway. The "Official Proposal" requires too much GM intervention. I'm a fan of point system cause you know EVERYONE will keep track of that!~

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by lecompte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread was.... interesting. More interesting than work, anyway. The "Official Proposal" requires too much GM intervention. I'm a fan of point system cause you know EVERYONE will keep track of that!~

People are so anti gm intervention, im not sure if its they dont want to cause trouble on volunteers or if its something else but I am sure there are more than enough people that would be willing to volunteer to silently watch raids to make sure rules are followed.

Gm status, invisible don't show up on who no one would even know your watching, rules broken pop up stop it reset. if it goes smooth great.

I just don't see why people don't want the gm's involved

[williestargell]

I'm not sure "commenting" on specific points of this agreement is worthwhile at all at this point. It seems to me that what was said about two factions existing is indeed the case. This proposal is unlikely to fly with the Cat B guilds without more radical change.

1) Enforcement is Key - not just enforcement of what mobs are available to who, but enforcement of training, ninja-looting, other dirty tricks. Requiring a 5 out of 6 super-majority pretty much eliminates any chance of enforcement. Competing with TMO/IB/FE is not the problem - putting up with their dirty tricks IS. Cat B guilds will still want to compete all month long and if we're getting intentionally trained, then we need the power to raid suspend, suspend toons, and even perma-ban people. There needs to be some radical change to this area.

2) The Cat A guilds need to give significantly more. Cat B guilds are not looking for anything for free, but saying you can have a handful of mobs one week a month (during which week the mob might never spawn) is completely and totally insufficient.

3) There is nothing in here about what happens when Velious comes out.

There are other proposals out there, and there will have to be compromise. Getting this done by the 2nd is highly unlikely. That's ok, we can all live without raid targets for a few days in order to achieve an agreement that will have more long-lasting benefits to everyone.

[williestargell]

I mentioned this in a previous thread; feeder guilds and shadow guilds. I think the only way to discourage this is to have a self regulated mandatory wait to raid for people in a guild for less than 30 days. It doesn't completely address the issue, but it would serve to discourage it.

I believe the "other" proposal on the table addresses this concern with a good sized waiting period

[Nirgon]

These kids can't appreciate slaying orcs in the commonlands. They can't LIVE without PD loot.

Sickening.

[Ravager]

This whole thing is overly complicated and clearly one-sided. The points system is the fairest for promoting competition, easiest to maintain and enforce, as well as giving everyone a fair shot at any mob they want to attempt. Also, the points system has the added bonus of forcing people act like adults and actually make choices.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole thing is overly complicated and clearly one-sided. The points system is the fairest for promoting competition, easiest to maintain and enforce, as well as giving everyone a fair shot at any mob they want to attempt. Also, the points system has the added bonus of forcing people act like adults and actually make choices.

No its not.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No its not.

Yes it is.

[Versus]

This isn't a socialist server. There shouldn't be an equal distribution of raid mobs to the guilds. Tell me what live server had the 5th best guild killing equal mobs as the 1st best guild?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't a socialist server. There shouldn't be an equal distribution of raid mobs to the guilds. Tell me what live server had the 5th best guild killing equal mobs as the 1st best guild?

This is why VP should remain competitive and everything else should be rotated.

The 1st and 2nd guilds will get the best PD loot and then everyone else will get the open world stuff until they are able to try to compete if they want to in VP.