Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Bossman]

Lower the point requirement for VP dragons, don't issue different point totals to each guild

[quido]

Do people actually read what is said? I'm having words put into my mouth for the third time in the last little while.

I'm starting to think this open discussion is pointless. I'm looking forward to discussing the issues with actual guild leaderships in a closed setting.

If you want to criticize anything I've suggested, make sure I actually said it. If you don't like the figures, come up with a counter-offer. Most of what's being said here is rhetoric.

[Retti_]

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[Kope]

Maybe the main posters in here should cool down for a few days, you guys have made your points clear and it's not helping to rehash the same points over and over and devolving the discussion.

This isn't about the top, or the bottom, this is about the community of p99 coming to a non toxic consensus about how to do the raidscene.

I know Divinity is currently working on their official response, and I assume the other smaller guilds are doing the same.

If we keep diluting this discussion down with the same posts over and over it's not going to be as constructive as it should be.

Please give everyone a chance to add their opinions into it so we can come to a generalized and liked consensus, not only the hardcore and not only the casuals.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I proposed what I thought of the point system a while back. Do you have any tweaks, suggestions, or thoughts to bounce against it? I think the point system is the way to go, but it needs weighed correctly and I'm sure my voice won't be the only deciding factor in that. That is a favorable system by any party given the right numbers. KEEP IN MIND, there are roughly 6 capable guilds and 1 guild taking half the highly contested spawns means #2 guild takes the other half and that's not what we're trying to do here, and that's why I weighed points like I did. I can quote it if you wish for tweaking.

Sure - I'd like the point system to only apply sometimes. Really I don't want points at all. I'd like to see the hardcores fight it out a fraction of the time and the nonhardcores rotate it or point it out the other fraction of the time with a provision for the hardcores getting it should whatever be left up for too long.

Would you care to tweak my system?

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do people actually read what is said? I'm having words put into my mouth for the third time in the last little while.

I'm starting to think this open discussion is pointless. I'm looking forward to discussing the issues with actual guild leaderships in a closed setting.

If you want to criticize anything I've suggested, make sure I actually said it. If you don't like the figures, come up with a counter-offer. Most of what's being said here is rhetoric.

If that's directed at me, I'm sorry if you think I'm putting words into your mouth. Please repost what you actually said, concisely. And you can bet I'll be there in a closed setting as well.

[toosweet]

You need to keep this simple.
point systems-raid dates-non raid weeks-full rotations are just messy and to much to deal with.

The 2 hour thing seems to work well, add in the pnp when 2 guilds get to a boss at the same time and things will be ok on p99
Guilds who do a little work with some tracking will be rewarded with a shot at bosses for their effort, I dont think any raid guild wants welfare loot do they?

Keep it simple...too many chefs spoil the soup

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure - I'd like the point system to only apply sometimes. Really I don't want points at all. I'd like to see the hardcores fight it out a fraction of the time and the nonhardcores rotate it or point it out the other fraction of the time with a provision for the hardcores getting it should whatever be left up for too long.

Would you care to tweak my system?

Not an exact system that I want to see. It really does have to be laid out for all. Please continue with full proposal.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that's directed at me

So far it's only been directed towards Yendor, Anthrax, and Yinikren. Just to clear that up.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by toosweet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to keep this simple.
point systems-raid dates-non raid weeks-full rotations are just messy and to much to deal with.

The 2 hour thing seems to work well, add in the pnp when 2 guilds get to a boss at the same time and things will be ok on p99
Guilds who do a little work with some tracking will be rewarded with a shot at bosses for their effort, I dont think any raid guild wants welfare loot do they?

Keep it simple...too many chefs spoil the soup

Leads to 2 guild rotation. Not good for anyone but 2 guilds. Soup's for all. Everyone's hungry. Point system can work. Not that difficult to keep track of. Not very messy. It's gained plenty of momentum. Let's run with it and see what we can get as an end result.