not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Variance causes all of this. I don't think people would mind competing for FTE if we knew exactly when a target would spawn. It'd just be show up, zerg mob, log off. Hardly any time investment in raiding, no need for many multiples of alts, etc. But instead we wake up at the asscrack of dawn to raid shit cuz it decided to spawn 3 extended windows in. K.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're fucking delusional dude. you think because you have a circlejerk thread where you solo idiot mobs each one the same as the last that you are this amazing player who is being held back by tmo/fe. tmo claims to be good at raiding not at having some intrinsic 'amazingness' in the soul of each member.

your ego is completely tied to the fact that you play one of the 2 classes who can solo effectively in kunark. you can't just give and take things away when it suits your argument because 'if i did something for x months/years i would probably be good at it' or vice versa

Xarz you are amazingly confident in your insults considering that you don't understand a word I'm saying. I'm going to try and be as simple as possible and see if I can sledgehammer this stuff into your brain.

1. I am not saying I am better than TMO, nor am I saying that they are bad at raiding. Clearly they are are very effective. I am saying that what you guys do is not hard. EQ in general is not hard.

2. I am not saying TMO is holding me back. I am saying that my unwillingness to track and join huge guilds is holding me back. I have only stated about 300 times in this thread that I hate the system, not the players.

3. Unlike you, I don't have a fucking ego regarding this game. When I die they will not put 'he played everyquest well on 1999' on my tombstone because I have a lot of other accomplishments to my name. The solo artist challenge is just something I do for fun. What you are doing is called projection, and your massive insecurity complex is on display.

So STFU unless you have something useful to contribute about fixing the raid scene, which in this very thread nilbog described as trash.

[Faerie Blossom]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Essentially, I want to recreate classic eq. When it goes beyond the actual work, it ... sucks. Managing people sucks. Managing people's expectations sucks worse.

Managing people and their expectations does suck, I would imagine. Which is why most modern developers choose not to, and implement systems that segregate people from one another instead. Instancing is the preferred method of keeping players out of one another's affairs these days, and it's not a bad way to go for PvE servers. Instancing is kind of blah though, imo, and the token idea seems like a much better route.

Raiding should be a challenge because the encounters themselves are difficult, not because the opportunities to raid are so scarce. Some bluebies may disagree with me, but batphoning and racing to raids is not competition; it's punctuality (without variance, anyway). And while punctuality may make you a good percussionist it has very little to do with being skilled at a video game.

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The token system is a GM-enforced rotation by another name.

Yes, except it's easier on the GMs. So you get the benefit of forced rotation without all of the trouble, win/win. Another plus is that, depending on how it's implemented, the top guilds wouldn't even need to give up any of their spawns to give others a chance at the content. The only reason I could imagine a player taking issue with this would be that they miss out on the aforementioned punctuality contest. If you ask me though, there is currently way too much PvP on the blue server.

If anyone really cared about competition, they would have rolled on the red server where that sort of thing is possible beyond a petty game of "well I guess you should have logged in harder than us." Casual guilds want a chance at the content now that it's been a decade; can't the hardcore people just let them have it so long as they don't lose out on loot for it? How could a token system possibly be a bad thing?

Maybe the devs take issue with it for being too unclassic, and that's their business seeing as this is their server. But come on, as players we should have the best interests of our community at heart.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casual guilds want a chance at the content now that it's been a decade; can't the hardcore people just let them have it so long as they don't lose out on loot for it? How could a token system possibly be a bad thing?

The 'hardcore' mindset isn't merely interested in getting pixels; it's interested in preventing anyone else from having those same pixels. Folks of that mindset will resist any change that will result in people who aren't them getting said pixels. If it were up to me I'd ignore those folks and implement a system that spread things around (take your pick, any of a number of proposals could work), but it ain't up to me. Good for me that I have no particular interest in raiding on P1999.

Instancing would of course fix most of the problems associated with raiding here (save for the folks who measure their success in terms of what other folks don't have). Threads such as this one continually illustrate why newer games tend to use liberal amounts of instancing. EQ's an old game and it has its flaws.

Danth

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding should be a challenge because the encounters themselves are difficult, not because the opportunities to raid are so scarce.

this 100%

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Xarz you are amazingly confident in your insults considering that you don't understand a word I'm saying. I'm going to try and be as simple as possible and see if I can sledgehammer this stuff into your brain.

1. I am not saying I am better than TMO, nor am I saying that they are bad at raiding. Clearly they are are very effective. I am saying that what you guys do is not hard. EQ in general is not hard.

2. I am not saying TMO is holding me back. I am saying that my unwillingness to track and join huge guilds is holding me back. I have only stated about 300 times in this thread that I hate the system, not the players.

3. Unlike you, I don't have a fucking ego regarding this game. When I die they will not put 'he played everyquest well on 1999' on my tombstone because I have a lot of other accomplishments to my name. The solo artist challenge is just something I do for fun. What you are doing is called projection, and your massive insecurity complex is on display.

So STFU unless you have something useful to contribute about fixing the raid scene, which in this very thread nilbog described as trash.

wow +1 man, this guy sends me hate tells more than any tmo and you summed up a lot of my thoughts, just wish xar could lighten up=)

[Clark]

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[webrunner5]

The big problem is that TMO, FE are just raiding the shit out of top mobs to equip there 4th or 5th alt now. And to sell shit for silly ass prices in the tunnel. While the lesser guilds have their main sucking hind tit. That's what pisses people off.

I have no clue what the answer is other than TMO and FE just take a vacation for a month or two. I mean how much shit do you really need??[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The big problem is that TMO, FE are just raiding the shit out of top mobs to equip there 4th or 5th alt now. And to sell shit for silly ass prices in the tunnel. While the lesser guilds have their main sucking hind tit. That's what pisses people off.

I have no clue what the answer is other than TMO and FE just take a vacation for a month or two. I mean how much shit do you really need??[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE is no where near that and long time TMO members are geared out, but their recent waves of recruiting aren't that geared as of yet. Lumping TMO and FE in the same boat with regards to loot is lazy and ignorant.