Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everywhere you go with 2 enchanters charming hasted, quadding, high hp and obscene dps output pets. Literally everywhere you’ve got that much raw potential and risk is a camp where a cleric is better. Why? Because shit will inevitably hit the fan and when it does the cleric absolutely will do a better job mitigating the mayhem and keeping people alive. In the event of a player death (1 or more or all), the cleric can actually fix that situation for you.

I have never dodged that question, you are simply too stupid to read words and apply basic comprehension.

Now if you were to ask me to name a camp that requires complete heal - well that would be significantly more challenging. There are mobs that a small group would only be able to do utilizing charm pets with huge hp pools (ie Capt Bvellos as the pet and tank in Kael) - but the follow-on debate would then be whether 4 casters without outside assistance pulling would be able to tackle the content to begin with.

I will say, though, that anything a shaman can heal - the cleric could manage it just fine even pretending they didn’t have complete heal. Elixir and non-cheal direct heals are every bit as good as what a shaman can manage with Torp + chloroplast … without slowing down the thing that is tanking.



Read the above. Then rub your brain cells together for a few minutes. Consider your next reply contemplatively for a few minutes and then write your post. Proof read it before submitting it so you do not have to stealth edit it for the next 30 minutes.

Have I healed an enchanter charm pet with my druid in challenging xp content? Yes. With my shaman? Yes. With my cleric? Yes. On all 3 priests both before and after 60? Yes!

Who does it best? Cleric by a college mile.

(And yes I have Torp ranked with a charming chanter too).

Yes, you dodged the question many times, and the post history shows it. Can you link to a past post in this thread where you answered the question directly?

I am glad you finally answered the question directly. We've already gone over how a Shaman and Enchanters can handle charm breaks just fine without a Cleric:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=5300

You said "everywhere", but Shamans make some camps like Fungi King and West Waste Dragons easier than with a Cleric. Shaman/Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter could potentially do Vaniki. I am open to including a Cleric as I said on page 1, only you are trying to claim a Shaman doesn't fit. If you had to get rid of either the Cleric or the Shaman, the Cleric is the clear choice because it can be pocketed.

Clearly your "everywhere" idea is exaggurated and not quite objective. Thanks for finally coming out and saying that though. It makes it easier for people to see that you probably just have a Cleric bias, which is clouding your judgement to some degree.

Troxx also still can't admit that pocket clerics exist on p99, or that his idea about only using the four main characters would exclude mules too. I doubt anyone is going to stop using mules or pocket clerics because of Troxx commenting in this thread. Mules and pocket clerics are the reality on p99, and will contiue to exist.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you dodged the question many times, and the post history shows it. Can you link to a past post in this thread where you answered the question directly?

No no no … no revisionist history. You stated you could could name “a few camps” that “need” a shaman and challenged others to name a camp that “needs” a cleric. This was absurd and it was pointed out to you. Then you tried to argue about the actual definition of words (lol) for a few pages.

Ultimately you resigned yourself to have done a whoopsie and amended your wording to “is better with”.

To which I still maintain - the question was never dodged. I have been (figuratively) slapping you in your fat cheeks a couple dozen pages with my answer. In all circumstances where you have multiple nasty charm mobs with the potential to cut loose and wreck fragile cloth casters a cleric is always the superior choice vs shaman if the two are mutually exclusive - can’t take both. This includes fungi king, WW dragons … you name it.

It’s not my fault if you’re to stupid to know, after 500+ pages, what my answer has always been.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no magical synergy between ench and shaman. Ench and druid would be every bit as effective - maybe more so depending on location. Egress/Succor, snare, free clicky regrowth, PoTG, and animal charm potential.

I find it interesting that Troxx seems to think a Druid/Enchanter would be able to do just fine in terms of pet health without Torpor Tanking or CH. Is he saying it's fine to not have CH now?

[Keebz]

I'm behind on my DSM-lore, where did this "Shaman always torp tanks" narrative come from and what happened to "root adds and dot them" narrative go?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm behind on my DSM-lore, where did this "Shaman always torp tanks" narrative come from and what happened to "root adds and dot them" narrative go?

He is all over the place. First it was he’s gonna root rot 4-6 mobs in parallel to the group to try and keep up with mage dps. When that fell apart he switched tactics.

We have now booted the cleric from the group so the shaman will be torp tanking, providing dps … … all while perfectly protecting his enchanters from their 120-240dps pets when they break.

Oh … and warping reality to allow a 5th character into this 4 man group so we can rez the dead when things don’t go smoothly.

[Snaggles]

Torp works so slowly that it’s better to just reset and blur a pet to let it naturaly regen.

Clerics can stun casters from healing or slowing their pet
Clerics can AoE stun in one second two npcs in route to kill the enchanter
Clerics can recover hps quicker with a DL/Remedy combo
Clerics can rez
Clerics can buff 2x more hitpoints than shaman
Clerics can heal 10k hps in 10 seconds for 2x the cost of a torp

This is probably just my bias showing though. Whenever I bring a Druid or Shaman to duo, my ench buddy is glad to have me. When I bring my cleric he genuinely gets excited.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torp works so slowly that it’s better to just reset and blur a pet to let it naturaly regen.

Clerics can stun casters from healing or slowing their pet
Clerics can AoE stun in one second two npcs in route to kill the enchanter
Clerics can recover hps quicker with a DL/Remedy combo
Clerics can rez
Clerics can buff 2x more hitpoints than shaman
Clerics can heal 10k hps in 10 seconds for 2x the cost of a torp

This is probably just my bias showing though. Whenever I bring a Druid or Shaman my buddy is glad to have me. When I bring my cleric he genuinely gets excited.

A Shaman Torpor tanking means you don't have to heal the pet generally speaking. You aren't Torporing the pet generally speaking. And yes, you can let the pet naturally regen on the rare occasion the pet takes damage due to some weird scenario.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Shaman Torpor tanking means you don't have to heal the pet generally speaking. You aren't Torporing the pet generally speaking. And yes, you can let the pet naturally regen on the rare occasion the pet takes damage due to some weird scenario.

But…why? With c2 no cleric is going to struggle unless pet breaks are like every 2 mins. In which case the shaman is going to be screwed too.

Tossing heals for 5k+ is a pretty relaxed game.

[Snaggles]

For sake of my sanity, to clarifying are you arguing shaman > cleric?
I started in trying to justify a sham for the 4th fill. Not the 3rd let alone as a trio.

Cleric is stronger with two charm classes than slow already. It’s the benefit they get for otherwise being horribly boring.

If this was two monks, sure, shaman all day long.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For sake of my sanity, to clarifying are you arguing shaman > cleric?.

Yes. He is. There is no sanity when it comes to DSM. He’s got such a massive boner for shamans that there isn’t any blood flow left to go to his brain.