Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you have played the game enough, you realize….

That veiled dig. The implication that Snaggles just hasn’t played the game enough to understand what he is talking about.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again though, I don’t think anyone is trying to seriously debate a sham OR cleric. The 4th seat is up for debate here.

It does become a debate of Shaman vs Cleric if a group is playing on a server where the only ports available is if your group has it, therefore making Druid a necessity if you don't want to waste a ton of time running on foot around the entire world.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bard would be quite good, just didn’t fit the caster/priest requirement.

Bards are casters, tbh

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are casters, tbh

Agreed, if not a segment of itself. I just didn’t know if we were bending the rule and didn’t read the rest of this novel to confirm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bcbrown]

The OP confirmed that bards are out of scope at the same point when Troxx analysed bards. It was in the first 50 pages I think but I’m not gonna look it up.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has lost the debate and gone back to being a troll. Unfortunate.

Please note he is still dodging the question about naming a camp where a Cleric is better.

Troxx hasn't "lost the debate", stop repeating that nonsense over and over, 99% of the time you're the one who is wrong, but you just keep going on and on with spam, ignoring what has been said and creating some fake narrative, pretending you've won a discussion when someone no longer wastes energy replying to your bullshit.

Stop trying to talk about a "pocket Cleric", that's not the point of the thread and everyone doesn't have one.

Stop acting like "torpor tanking" is some kind of special thing over a Cleric. The 4th member of the party can already be the tank if we want both pets hitting from behind. Enchanters already have slow and the Cleric already has efficient healing. This isn't the best strategy all the time anyway, because of how difficult it can be for slow to land on some targets and because of how much more damage casters take compared to a charm pet. It's often better to have the charm pets tanking and C-heal them with a Cleric.

It's obvious there are camps that benefit from the pets tanking and having a Cleric to C-heal them (including something like running around PoM and farming as many cards as possible), stop trying to act like someone is dodging a question when you're posing idiotic/pedantic questions that are generally strawmans.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP confirmed that bards are out of scope

Who cares about the fuggin OP, they don't own the discussion. BARDS ARE CASTERS

I'm most interested in the universe where dial-a-port doesn't exist and a group is starting on a server together. Therefore, the "best" group is Enchanter + Enchanter + Druid + Cleric.

[Snaggles]

It’s sunken cost vs authority fallacy then.

You assume playing a shaman for thousands of hours instead of tens of thousands of hours means someone can’t crack the cypher of alternating torp and canni.

My point is having more toons makes someone more objective and less biased. They all have flaws. I’m not proud of my 8.9 level 60’s. It’s very sad, TBH.

If a buddy has an enchanter, or two of them do, I will pick my class based on the need of the group. Not the need for me to prove I’m right about my favorite class. I can play a good ranger but am not so deluded to think it’s optimal.

I’ll let the poll I posted vote for me. I know how to best support enchanters based on my perspective but would appreciate theirs. Frankly, the best four person group is likely 4 enchanters with a cleric parked out.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s sunken cost vs authority fallacy then.

You assume playing a shaman for thousands of hours instead of tens of thousands of hours means someone can’t crack the cypher of alternating torp and canni.

My point is having more toons makes someone more objective and less biased. They all have flaws. I’m not proud of my 8.9 level 60’s. It’s very sad, TBH.

If a buddy has an enchanter, or two of them do, I will pick my class based on the need of the group. Not the need for me to prove I’m right about my favorite class. I can play a good ranger but am not so deluded to think it’s optimal.

I’ll let the poll I posted vote for me. I know how to best support enchanters based on my perspective but would appreciate theirs. Frankly, the best four person group is likely 4 enchanters with a cleric parked out.

I am just explaining the mechanics of the game. It is not sunken cost. You are assuming I am biased without evidence it sounds like.

A person who has an Enchanter or Cleric would also be biased under your logic, but I don't see you complaining about players with Enchanters or Clerics speaking up about how their classes work.

It always seems like the bias argument is alway levied at me, and never at the Cleric or Enchanter players. It is quite strange.

[Troxx]

This post from this thread nearly 13 months ago is still solid gold.

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM most of what you do is point out technical vagrancies and propose strawman arguments. Most of the arguments you have are meaningless if not strawman. You are not comprehending simple concepts. You act as if you don't know some things are true.

You are either a disciplined troll or you have some mental disability combined with a higher level of narcissism than normal.

You are ripe for bullying, you egg people on because your so out of touch, vocal and stubborn. You are very unlikeable. Please evaluate your self. I mean your real self, not your shaman. And if you’re a troll, congrats, best I have ever seen.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post from this thread nearly 13 months ago is still solid gold.

Troxx has lost the debate and gone back to being a troll. Unfortunate.

Please note he is still dodging the question about naming a camp where a Cleric is better. He was asked this many pages ago and still refuses to answer.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please note he is still dodging the question about naming a camp where a Cleric is better.

Everywhere you go with 2 enchanters charming hasted, quadding, high hp and obscene dps output pets. Literally everywhere you’ve got that much raw potential and risk is a camp where a cleric is better. Why? Because shit will inevitably hit the fan and when it does the cleric absolutely will do a better job mitigating the mayhem and keeping people alive. In the event of a player death (1 or more or all), the cleric can actually fix that situation for you.

I have never dodged that question, you are simply too stupid to read words and apply basic comprehension.

Now if you were to ask me to name a camp that requires complete heal - well that would be significantly more challenging. There are mobs that a small group would only be able to do utilizing charm pets with huge hp pools (ie Capt Bvellos as the pet and tank in Kael) - but the follow-on debate would then be whether 4 casters without outside assistance pulling would be able to tackle the content to begin with.

I will say, though, that anything a shaman can heal - the cleric could manage it just fine even pretending they didn’t have complete heal. Elixir and non-cheal direct heals are every bit as good as what a shaman can manage with Torp + chloroplast … without slowing down the thing that is tanking.

I find it interesting that Troxx seems to think a Druid/Enchanter would be able to do just fine in terms of pet health without Torpor Tanking or CH. Is he saying it's fine to not have CH now?

Read the above. Then rub your brain cells together for a few minutes. Consider your next reply contemplatively for a few minutes and then write your post. Proof read it before submitting it so you do not have to stealth edit it for the next 30 minutes.

Have I healed an enchanter charm pet with my druid in challenging xp content? Yes. With my shaman? Yes. With my cleric? Yes. On all 3 priests both before and after 60? Yes!

Who does it best? Cleric by a college mile.

(And yes I have Torp ranked with a charming chanter too).