ban on assault weapons and 10 round clip limit

[Lexical]

I know.

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well now it's just stubborn people arguing for the sake of argument.

That includes me.

Nah, I like to call it social exercise.
This is important stuff, here.

[Vellatri]

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easy. The "it" he was referring to is "what needs to be stopped." Saying "nuts, not guns, need to be stopped" is not the same as saying "everything but guns need to be stopped."

[Vellatri]

Oops. Must have mucked the formatting again. Preview FTL.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK..if he states he believes guns actually have something to do with it.

Otherwise...I didn't misrepresent his position.

Which brings us back to:

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying "nuts, not guns, need to be stopped" is not the same as saying "everything but guns need to be stopped."

[Humerox]

OK

If he says that the type of guns used has contributed to mass shootings (because that's the context of what we were discussing) I'll say I misrepresented his position.

I think I understood his position to mean it was the nuts behind the guns, and that the guns are merely tools.

What I said didn't change his position. What I said contradicted his position.

You straw man fairly well for not understanding what it is.

[Vellatri]

Of course what you said changed his position. To claim it is not one thing is not to claim that it is everything else.

[Humerox]

straw man

an opponent takes the original argument of his/her adversary and then offers a close imitation, or straw man, version of the original argument;

he "knocks down" the straw man version of the argument (because the straw man, as its name implies, is a much easier target to hit, undermine, etc.)

-- and thereby gives the appearance of having successfully countered/overcome/answered the original argument.


I didn't do that.

At best I made a fail attempt to be witty. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vellatri]

Sure you did. "Everything but X" is a close imitation of, but not the same as "not X."

[Humerox]

Then you and I understand straw man arguments differently.

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[Vellatri]

Of course you understand them differently, because you do not understand them correctly.