most underpowered class in game?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When thinking about "most underpowered class", you have to use the averages, not your preferred data set.

I think some folks want to reassure themselves they picked "right" and don't want to tell themselves they picked something "bad." So in this type of thread folks have a tendency to become what amounts to salesmen for their own favored characters, with similar levels of stretching the truth.

My own favored character (shadowknight) illustrates this: Overall its a weaker class than monk is. Does that mean I picked wrong in making it? Nope! The monk happens to do better in parts of the game I don't care about--raising its overall average--but they're pretty equal in the parts of the game I *do* care about, and I like being a plate tank type. Being worse in areas I ain't hanging out in anyway is irrelevant to me...but it might bother some folks intensely.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think some folks want to reassure themselves they picked "right" and don't want to tell themselves they picked something "bad." So in this type of thread folks have a tendency to become what amounts to salesmen for their own favored characters, with similar levels of stretching the truth.

My own favored character (shadowknight) illustrates this: Overall its a weaker class than monk is. Does that mean I picked wrong in making it? Nope! The monk happens to do better in parts of the game I don't care about--raising its overall average--but they're pretty equal in the parts of the game I *do* care about, and I like being a plate tank type. Being worse in areas I ain't hanging out in anyway is irrelevant to me...but it might bother some folks intensely.

Danth

Agreed, it is difficult to get bias out of the mix when doing these discussions. Z obviously loves Mages. As I have said many times, Underpowered does not mean bad in Everquest. No class is unplayable or broken.

[Jimjam]

Hmm good points… and paladins’ divine strength is only +125hp as in it’s absence you can get +75 from Strength of Nature …

[PatChapp]

I would rather a paladin in most XP groups honestly.
Pacify pulls, root for some cc, stuns for charm breaks and backup heals on top of solid tanking. Very useful class to have around.
Mage is straight dps with malo for charm pets as a perk. Mage/paladin/enchanter actually a solid XP trio though.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would rather a paladin in most XP groups honestly.
Pacify pulls, root for some cc, stuns for charm breaks and backup heals on top of solid tanking. Very useful class to have around.
Mage is straight dps with malo for charm pets as a perk. Mage/paladin/enchanter actually a solid XP trio though.

Just cut the mage out honestly. Paladin + enc is sleeper strong duo.

[enjchanter]

Everything in me wants to say paladin but I think i have to go with bard

[Zeboim]

To be fair to Loramin, those are often Enchanter players.

There may just happen to be an ulterior motive there.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm good points… and paladins’ divine strength is only +125hp as in it’s absence you can get +75 from Strength of Nature …

Yeah, Divine Strength is not that special. Strength of Nature is better on Rogues and some other melee DPS people anyway. Paladin confirmed weakest class.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are skewing the data by injecting your personal preference of how you play, rather than how the average player plays.

Magician is very good in "average" group setting.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't buy that only one class was "underplayed" on live (which had an order of magnitude more players than P99), and therefore only that one class is played completely differently here (solo-dominant vs. group-dominant) ... while every other class in the game is fundamentally played the same way.

It seems far more likely our emulator isn't emulating properly (and charm is to safe here) than that 10x the number of Enchanters didn't know how to cast their spells on live.

I think it's likely that something is a bit wrong with p99 charm. However, there's a lot of things with game mechanics that weren't understood to the degree they are now, which makes an even bigger difference. Internet lag and field of view also make a big difference with this. Wider screens and being able to maximize the clipping plane creates a wayyyyy different experience than playing the game like it was in 1999.

[branamil]

Charming was not a thing on live at least in Kunark. People just wanted enchanters to be mez bots and didn't want to have to worry about the chanter dying. Healers were not as good and everyone had lag.

Because if they died it was probably a group wipe and long CR, it's not like people had a legion of rogues and clerics for corpse recovery.

It was honestly way more chill, even if less XP.

But that's off topic, the shittest class up to velious is Mage.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's off topic, the shittest class up to velious is Mage.

In classic, they are relatively under powered before the pets get fixed for sure, but they are pretty OP otherwise. Best group DPS (w/o charm), can solo for hours (including Frenzy). They cheese through sky and phinny. In Kunark they can cheese Tola/Prot, DA train raids through seb, etc, are an excellent third for ench/cleric for farming groups, etc. etc.