Are you kidding me?

[Ella`Ella]

Ban Poopsocking
Ban Bards
Unban Bards
Ban Bards again
Ban lull through walls
Ban popping an eye through a wall
Ban glitching through locked doors
Ban kiting
Ban any speed greater than SoW
Allow kiting in certain situations
Allow kiting but make guild sacrifice all but one dragon being kited
Ban more than 2 trackers
Make all players start at a zone line for mobs
Ban any player past zone line
Ban gating to mobs
Ban trackers getting FTE
Ban DA idol stalling
Ban any spell after a single DA spell/item/effect is already used
Ban Ogre Walls
Ban Crown of Rile

See what I'm getting at?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ban Poopsocking
Ban Bards
Unban Bards
Ban Bards again
Ban lull through walls
Ban popping an eye through a wall
Ban glitching through locked doors
Ban kiting
Ban any speed greater than SoW
Allow kiting in certain situations
Allow kiting but make guild sacrifice all but one dragon being kited
Ban more than 2 trackers
Make all players start at a zone line for mobs
Ban any player past zone line
Ban gating to mobs
Ban trackers getting FTE
Ban DA idol stalling
Ban any spell after a single DA spell/item/effect is already used
Ban Ogre Walls
Ban Crown of Rile

See what I'm getting at?

I fully understand where you're coming from and can see why people would have a problem with it. But you and I both know how fucking dumb everything gets when there are no rules. I guess that's what you probably want though right? Just return to the "glory days" of TMO single guild dominance?

In all seriousness can you even imagine how stupid shit would get with no rules? It'd literally be 5 guilds sitting on top of spawn points with KS groups waiting to pounce and A/A would win literally every single time cause of gear disparity. Koraf showed up in PoM a couple weeks ago when I was trio'ing Puppets and literally KS'd all 3 of us. 60 mnk 60 epic mage 60 torpor shaman w pet and dots without using Duelist (or so he says :P) just to prove he could do it. You trying to tell me any guild would stand a chance against 6 BiS Rogues?

[reborn649]

All idiot remarks aside:

This same argument has been coming up for years now and will literally never go away because there is absolutely NO WAY to make everyone happy.

Classic saw 1, maybe 2 high end guilds doing the content during an expansions release. This clearly isnt a classic server, so we have a handful of guilds all trying to see the same end game. Either setup a GM enforced rotation (which will clear out a good percentage of players) or make a rule of "FTE by any means necessary" (which will clear out a good percentage of players). There is NO WAY to make everyone happy. Trying to argue that certain items give the slightest advantage and penalizing players for farming those items and having the intelligence to know how to use them for an advantage is the most absurd train of thought I have ever heard. What fun is it if everyone is on the exact same page? If you want that, just make the rules that everyone should wear cloth gear, zero buffs, and if you have less than 60 FPS you cannot participate for fear of advantage.

Also banning people without any sanctioned "rule" in place is completely unnecessary. What people have been doing for years on this server cannot justifiably cause a suspension due to a couple people's complaint.

Start a new blue server, FTE by any means necessary, or GM enforced rotation. Without any of those 3 things happening, this idiocy will never end.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Maner

How exactly? Naturally speaking English would imply you were born in the United States. Where is any race included in that comment? However a majority of non English speaking native people would suggest people from another country. Perhaps you should refrain from attaching race to comments that don't include skin tone.

Your initial statement was 'if you discriminate against people who don't speak English, you are a racist'. This implies that there is no difference between discriminating against people who don't speak proper English and discriminating against people with dark skin, which implies that those two groups overlap perfectly, which, since there are plenty of people with dark skin who grew up in English speaking countries, implies that people with dark skin cannot learn English, which is by definition discrimination on the basis of race.

TLDR: you calling other people racist is pure projection on your part

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your initial statement was 'if you discriminate against people who don't speak English, you are a racist'. This implies that there is no difference between discriminating against people who don't speak proper English and discriminating against people with dark skin, which implies that those two groups overlap perfectly, which, since there are plenty of people with dark skin who grew up in English speaking countries, implies that people with dark skin cannot learn English, which is by definition discrimination on the basis of race.

TLDR: you calling other people racist is pure projection on your part

you should look at my original statement again. it was regarding people who don't naturally speak English, which would refer to pretty much anyone born in another country. I never said anything regarding people learning to speak English, however its not the native language in other countries so it wouldn't be their natural language. Again, you are the one who attached race to my comment not me. Fix yourself before attempting to point out the flaws in others kiddo.

[Swish]

There definitely needs to be rules, more rules and yet more rules before anyone is allowed to have 'fun'

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There definitely needs to be rules, more rules and yet more rules before anyone is allowed to have 'fun'

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I wonder how much fun your "true casual guild" pals would have on a no rules server. How many dragons per year u think they'd get?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I wonder how much fun your "true casual guild" pals would have on a no rules server. How many dragons per year u think they'd get?

I'm talking Venerate and guilds on that level... that raid a bit but still have people coming through.

Perhaps we should force them to disband and merge into existing raid guilds that can do the content, BDA rotation management style?

Also you seem to have ignored my well typed out post from the previous page and are choosing to shitpost instead.

[EvilQuest]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking Venerate and guilds on that level... that raid a bit but still have people coming through.

Perhaps we should force them to disband and merge into existing raid guilds that can do the content, BDA rotation management style?

Also you seem to have ignored my well typed out post from the previous page and are choosing to shitpost instead.

u not getting enough attention for crying about bda anymore?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by EvilQuest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u not getting enough attention for crying about bda anymore?

Still getting some, apparently [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]