The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vulak never made it to West....haha. Nice attempt at spinning though. Why would you train pullers over there ? Why would you intentionally drop a summoning mob right near a puller ? Let's let the server actually see the shit that happens here. Who made that call ?

Then please explain to me how we trained your puller when we were at West and zoned out from there

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly - 1 of 2 trackers. Any guild ( if raiding solo ) can have up to 2.

Not only did we offer no advantage to Rampage but we actually HURT their chances by taking out 1 of the 2 trackers for COHing

You guys had Asgard/Forsaken versus 1 Rampage mage and Rampage yet lost

I am sorry you didnt beat Rampage to that Yelinak but Taken had nothing to do with that loss. Tracker FTE on a rooted mob hardly changes anything if the tracker immediately drops it and DQs them self which we did. Rampage did nothing wrong however according to any server rules. Taken broke the rule.

Show me how Asgard was not involved in those 5 kills you listed in that same light?

To me it looks like Sirken simply didnt want to add Asgard for some unknown reason bc it certainly is not consistent with the draco punishment that clearly demonstrates how to punish allied guilds that BOTH take part in the kill AND the loot.

We lost because we expected the normal act when this happens. The opposing guilds to concede. You guys are in full spin mode with your violations. Yet we are clearly guilty right ?

[nhdjoseywales]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken not only did not participate in any part of the encounter but also completely exited the scene.

We in addition to that received no loot from Yelinak. The ST key + head he dropped did not count towards Rampage on our loot rotation ( you guys should know how allied loot works by now so this is significant to not count against your rotation )

We essentially never were at that Yelinak for all intents and purposes - however Asgard was certainly at all those encounters you listed AND shared loot.

Correct me if I am wrong however, did Asgard get loot from any of those encounters?

They added them as kills to their own guild thread - not Forsakens

ftfm

[colicab]

Puller shouldn't have been in our raid. That exact situation has caused FA to pull huge trains of trash on us several times. Super fun.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then please explain to me how we trained your puller when we were at West and zoned out from there

Because that is where pullers are bound for all guilds in ToV. Rampage/Taken pulls the exact same way when Lendinaria is in Window. Stop with the spin and deflection and answer the question. WHO made the call to zone out a dragon onto another guilds pull ?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were still one of the 2 trackers for the encounter. You were still heading into that encounter expecting to assist. When you disqualified yourselves they were disqualified too. Yet in this case somehow the rules got bent.

"Still heading to the encounter" lol

why are you not answering my simple question whether Asgard got any loot from those kills you listed?

Its not that hard to find out - check your loot rotation sheets and report back. Any other non response to this question is pure spin from the guild that most recently trained Europa/Taken with Traknon- conceded it- then procede to kill it LOL

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by colicab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Puller shouldn't have been in our raid. That exact situation has caused FA to pull huge trains of trash on us several times. Super fun.

Really ? Oh wow. You guys got Dozekar CH'ed on us by moving cleric mobs close to our engage. Your pullers are in our camps all the time. We don't train them with mobs and Dragons. Guess the rules are different for you.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Still heading to the encounter" lol

why are you not answering my simple question whether Asgard got any loot from those kills you listed?

Its not that hard to find out - check your loot rotation sheets and report back. Any other non response to this question is pure spin from the guild that most recently trained Europa/Taken with Traknon- conceded it- then procede to kill it LOL

Why are you avoiding what I am asking ? Why spin and deflect your blame ?

[Joyelle]

Also, Taken immediately left the zone when we got DQ'd from Yelinak and did not in any way assist Rampage with that kill. We did not coth anyone, we did not heal or buff anyone, we did not do damage to or debuff Yeli at all, and we did not take a single pixel from the killing of that mob.

Prove that Asgard was not on any of the encounter logs for you suspended mobs, did not assist you in any way, and did not receive even one single pixel from each of them?

Maybe then we can talk about how the situations are comparable.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really ? Oh wow. You guys got Dozekar CH'ed on us for moving cleric mobs close to our engage. Your pullers are in our camps all the time. We don't train them with mobs and Dragons. Guess the rules are different for you.

Yeah that was really shady - I dont remember who trained that near the door I was standing right there.

But look - still not answering the easier question about whether or not Asgard got any loot from those encounters

Asgard wanna answer?