i dont always start threads, but when i do

[Akalakamelee]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one would disagree with this but it isn't possible and will never happen. This is a common mistake when dreaming up how you want the server to be. Instead of imagining exactly how you want things to be you need to pick between the couple realities that can actually exist on this server. There is going to be 1 guild in control. Who do you think would do this the best, can they be trusted to not RMT, how do they treat their guild members, etc. is what you need to look at.

Serious raiders or PvPers will always inch up the ladder and go to the guild that is killing the mobs with the best loot if possible so they can be the best at whatever it is they like to do. It may be to PvP better or just the satisfaction of progressing their character. There is nothing you can dream up or say that will convince a player to sit back and log in day after day as the loser when they can join the winning side. There are pockets of people who just don't care and play the game for other reasons but the majority of the players enjoy progression.

As the number one guild it is beneficial for them to stop recruiting once they know they have a clear advantage in numbers/power/gear/etc. so they know they can down all content and have to distribute those loots to as few of players as possible.

The problem with Red99 is that the population is low enough so if a guild wants to have 50-60 online they have to continually recruit just to keep that number steady. If you let up for a month or so you may log in to find yourself with only 30 available and then a guild like Azrael logs 40. The difference between distributing loot between 40 people and 60 isn't a big deal so there is no reason to split up with that attendance.

If you saw Holocaust log in with 100 for a raid there would obviously be a problem and then you would see things get more interesting. As long as Holocaust is attracting new players to the server don't worry about it.

Long post, but good. I can see your point but there must be a way, everyone holding hands just seems lame. I don't blame folks for wanting gear and progression. I simply wish it could be done with.multiple factions instead of 2 large factions.

I give you credit for posting something of value, it certainly beats alot of the posts on here.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Akalakamelee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Long post, but good. I can see your point but there must be a way, everyone holding hands just seems lame. I don't blame folks for wanting gear and progression. I simply wish it could be done with.multiple factions instead of 2 large factions.

I give you credit for posting something of value, it certainly beats alot of the posts on here.

You have to make the smaller guild attractive to player in some way. Most people play this game as a hobby, not a job. Downing the zerg isn't going to be sufficient motivation for someone that just wants to have fun and game. It takes a lot of effort to be the small force going against the big force, so most will gravitate toward the big force. You have to give people something that the bigger guilds aren't giving them. And not "we do more pvp", cause everyone can pvp whenever they want. It has to be something that you are doing better than the big guilds.

[Sektor]

Jesus tldr

[Kergan]

I always find it interesting that some people are surprised by the fact the majority of people who play EverQuest care more about items than anything else, considering it is literally 100% of the character progression in this game.

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to make the smaller guild attractive to player in some way. Most people play this game as a hobby, not a job. Downing the zerg isn't going to be sufficient motivation for someone that just wants to have fun and game. It takes a lot of effort to be the small force going against the big force, so most will gravitate toward the big force. You have to give people something that the bigger guilds aren't giving them. And not "we do more pvp", cause everyone can pvp whenever they want. It has to be something that you are doing better than the big guilds.

Koolaid.


Shit is free.

And we also have a lot of fun. Like an obscene amount... almost as if we were playing some sort of game when we are logged in...


<Flowers of Happiness> crootin. If you ask about epics, you will be shot, and you rlukewarm body will be shipped off to <Holocaust> recruitment line. If you like to play EQ, PVP, and have a great time, regardless of level or class, you will find fun amongst our ranks. Help us bring Happiness to all of Norrath, one Flower at a time.

[fred schnarf]

instances cured zerging , velious was stupid

i cant tell you how many warm body raids there were in that era with dogshit players

[Kergan]

Not nearly as bad as doing Vex Thall in Luclin. 0 mechanic fights against mobs with a zillion HP. Not even exaggerating when I say monks and warriors would just go afk on that shit in autoattack range.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Koolaid.


Shit is free.

And we also have a lot of fun. Like an obscene amount... almost as if we were playing some sort of game when we are logged in...


<Flowers of Happiness> crootin. If you ask about epics, you will be shot, and you rlukewarm body will be shipped off to <Holocaust> recruitment line. If you like to play EQ, PVP, and have a great time, regardless of level or class, you will find fun amongst our ranks. Help us bring Happiness to all of Norrath, one Flower at a time.

See that's what I'm talking about. Pvp is your only recruitment line. Tight knit, having fun killing the zerg. That's awesome if that's what you want from EQ. But most people don't want to be in a guild that outright tells their prospective members "dont ask for help with anything pve related". Those players will get bored and join a bigger, more welcoming guild. You can't expect to turn people off to character progression and have a stable guild. It doesn't work that way.

[Kergan]

The ability to have a small close knit guild that focuses on PVP while occasionally doing meaningful PVE as a guild increases exponentially with the release of Velious.

[Bodybagger]

It isn't that we dont' help with pve, we do that a lot. We just don't have the resources to get people epics, plain and simple. We re all about playing everquest and having fun, and playing everquest pvp and having fun.

It has been discussed that in the future we will possibly have a 1-2 group core that may engage in raiding with another guild to access higher end content, but at the moment I don't want people joining thinking they'll get shit. When I joined I had a lot of fun with cool people, and mostly we just ask what we can do to help one another, not ask for items. Whether its ports, or playing a different character than the one we were on/wanted to level because it helps others level, or donating loot to new players, or showing up to help PVP... whatever. Very fun tight knit group. Just having the FoH guild chat access is worth membership.

PVP isn't a recruitment line. It's a requirement line. We don't want players who don't pvp or bitch about pvp. We dont' want to hear them raging in /gu every time they get killed or whatever... we are a guild that likes PVP. People call us a PK guild. That isn't something that just happens on here... people respect or fear the FoH tag in one way shape or form, and that is more valuable to me than a guild tag that only gets you pixels.

We have also been getting a good little influx of RZ players so that has been exciting as well.