Stop the Socking

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the number of racers is unlimited currently for you guys?

I would like to see how in the world this works out for Naggy/Vox as those are train fests and COHing in actually makes them much cleaner in terms of the engage team

Sev/Fay/Tal are ideal for racing being an outdoor zone and roaming dragon

If one of your FTEers could fraps the Talendor race this weekend I think it would be good for everyone here to see what they are missing out on

I'm going to assume IF they release the fraps (which they wont) if will not show anything useful due to their inability to do (illegal) things when being watched from their point of view.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the number of racers is unlimited currently for you guys?

I would like to see how in the world this works out for Naggy/Vox as those are train fests and COHing in actually makes them much cleaner in terms of the engage team

Sev/Fay/Tal are ideal for racing being an outdoor zone and roaming dragon

If one of your FTEers could fraps the Talendor race this weekend I think it would be good for everyone here to see what they are missing out on

It's simple. The only barrier to getting to Naggy and Vox are mobs. 8 Fire Giants for Naggy. A level 60 shaman,chanter and Monk can deal with those while the rest of the raid engages the Dragon. The more 60s you have the easier they are to deal with, but it only takes those 3. Vox is the same but with more in her lair to deal with. Common sense can be applied with how to deal with them easily.

You also just have to clear those giants in Solb one time before Naggy goes in window and not have to worry about them for a long time. I doubt we prioritize Tal this weekend, but if we do I will see if the person on it will fraps it. We honestly rarely have more than 2 or 3 people on the races outside of VP per guild.

[heartbrand]

Man velious is going to be terrible on blue

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's simple. The only barrier to getting to Naggy and Vox are mobs. 8 Fire Giants for Naggy. A level 60 shaman,chanter and Monk can deal with those while the rest of the raid engages the Dragon.

your FFA strat is to train them on the other guilds becouse they can't prove TMO did it

but i'm sure thats how you do it when its IB vs TMO

[Daldaen]

Okay Unbrella is right, sort of.

Increasing Variance will not stop poopsocking. It will just further alienate Class R guilds. Class C continues to sock with long windows, as was evidence of the raid scene a year ago.

Decrease Variance will only stop poopsocking if we can work together to make a palletable raid scene:

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Amirite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your FFA strat is to train them on the other guilds becouse they can't prove TMO did it

but i'm sure thats how you do it when its IB vs TMO

Ok...You can just leave this thread if you want to continue posting false information. Trains do happen from all guilds on every engage in the game when players who are new at it make mistakes. No one denies that. Ask the guilds we have raided around how many times we have given up mobs when these things Happen.

IB- has gotten several mobs we surrendered when we made mistakes.
Taken- Got a VS

These are the ones I know about. I was away for a month or two so if any happened while I was away I wouldn't know about them. I know of 8 or 9 situations where we gave other guilds mobs or didn't attempt mobs because of our errors. That is the most on the server btw. US trying to make things right.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Nothing. GM's said no to a reduction in variance, but if it was lowered and the guilds all stopped being dildo's and came to a reasonable set of engagement rules it would go a long way.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Racing works better in some zones than others, but I guess thats part of the 'fun' of racing namely each race has its own unique strats and differences to overcome

Its certainly worth a closer look, and I would love to see some footage of races outside of VP bc some zones would be a cluster F to race tru

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay Unbrella is right, sort of.

Increasing Variance will not stop poopsocking. It will just further alienate Class R guilds. Class C continues to sock with long windows, as was evidence of the raid scene a year ago.

Decrease Variance will only stop poopsocking if we can work together to make a palletable raid scene:

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Looks pretty good to me. I'd say not a 2 week suspension. Maybe the guild has to sit out the next FFA cycle of that mob. If they make a mistake on one they can't compete on the next. We can probably push it to two if you feel that is too light.

[Lazie]

Only reason I say 1 FFA cycle is... I'd hate a new guild to step in to attempt it and make a mistake first shot and have to skip 2 cycles of FFA on a mob their guild prioritizes.