Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Dragonsblood1987]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was not a "void of nonexistence" before the Big Bang.

what was there?

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Dragonsblood1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what was there?

There is no way to know as the only evidence that exists is the universe's being here. Considering spacetime likely didn't exist as we know it, the most probable answer is nothing. Despite this, some speculate it was a singularity, some speculate a previous universe finishing a catastrophic big crunch.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was not a "void of nonexistence" before the Big Bang.

Alright, regardless of the fact that you seem to know what existed before the universe, the point still remains. You're simply appealing to something higher than the Big Bang which caused the Big Bang. What caused the thing that caused the Big Bang? You see how this whole "appealing to contingency" thing ultimately leads you to exactly where science leads you? An endless series of questions whose answers simply lead to more questions. I'm not bashing science. It is both useful and beautiful. But don't put all of your eggs in that basket because human rationality, our own ability to reckon existence and reality, is entirely unsuited to the task of answering many of these questions.

Go lose yourself in other esoteric theories of the multiverse, of cyclical continued existence, of a universe that self-perpetuates, etc. It all leads to the same place that you started when you asked how our own universe came into being. You're no closer to the essence and nature of reality than you were when you realized you were a sentient being in a material world.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright, regardless of the fact that you seem to know what existed before the universe, the point still remains. You're simply appealing to something higher than the Big Bang which caused the Big Bang. What caused the thing that caused the Big Bang? You see how this whole "appealing to contingency" thing ultimately leads you to exactly where science leads you? An endless series of questions whose answers simply lead to more questions. I'm not bashing science. It is both useful and beautiful. But don't put all of your eggs in that basket because human rationality, our own ability to reckon existence and reality, is entirely unsuited to the task of answering many of these questions.

Go lose yourself in other esoteric theories of the multiverse, of cyclical continued existence, of a universe that self-perpetuates, etc. It all leads to the same place that you started when you asked how our own universe came into being. You're no closer to the essence and nature of reality than you were when you realized you were a sentient being in a material world.

You're reading you deep into it and claiming that science is looking for answers in places that they are in fact not.

[myriverse]

Never claimed to know what existed before the Big Bang (and I made no claim at all about the universe). That's rather the point. Neither does science.

[Eliseus]

There is a common misconception among Atheists that they are Atheist when in reality they are agnostic, but claim to be Atheist. Though I think even being agnostic is dumb, at least it is better than being an Atheist.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Though I think even being agnostic is dumb.

Elaborate please. At this point I'm 50/50 if you're trolling.

[Packet]

I'm agnostic simply because I cannot prove either. I think this is reasonable and if you think it's stupid, I don't care because it simply works for me. I'm not prejudice towards religious folk or atheists. I can google all of the "Who's right?" keywords but at the end of the day, theories and books written by alleged apostles are not enough for me to live by. I like sinning but I don't hurt others while I do it. Well, perhaps my loved ones but that's only because of their own convictions and beliefs.

So in the meantime, I'll continue treating people the way I prefer to be treated. If and when that moment comes that I am standing in line to be judged by the omnipotent rodent god Alshazhar, hopefully the argument of, "Sorry God, the internet made me doubt my faith in you." will hold up. If not, then there's nothing I can do about it anyways. I'd also like to point out one more thing. Let's say that Jesus was the son of god and the bible is right. Quite frankly, God has been a real dick and I'd rather hang out with Satan. Hell doesn't sound so bad once all your flesh burns off. Join the battle and fight demons as a sick-ass skeleton!

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Packet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm agnostic simply because I cannot prove either. I think this is reasonable and if you think it's stupid, I don't care because it simply works for me. I'm not prejudice towards religious folk or atheists. I can google all of the "Who's right?" keywords but at the end of the day, theories and books written by alleged apostles are not enough for me to live by. I like sinning but I don't hurt others while I do it. Well, perhaps my loved ones but that's only because of their own convictions and beliefs.

So in the meantime, I'll continue treating people the way I prefer to be treated. If and when that moment comes that I am standing in line to be judged by the omnipotent rodent god Alshazhar, hopefully the argument of, "Sorry God, the internet made me doubt my faith in you." will hold up. If not, then there's nothing I can do about it anyways. I'd also like to point out one more thing. Let's say that Jesus was the son of god and the bible is right. Quite frankly, God has been a real dick and I'd rather hang out with Satan. Hell doesn't sound so bad once all your flesh burns off. Join the battle and fight demons as a sick-ass skeleton!

I like your church, Packet.

[Packet]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like your church, Packet.

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