Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the point in your reluctance to comply honestly. If you truly do this Root Rotting method/tactic parallel to the group and - as is obvious - you enjoy recording your gameplay & sharing videos, it seems like you would just simply provide the evidence even if it were just to shut your opposition up lol.

You have made it clear you will not accept any evidence I have provided or will provide. It's far too late to try and deny it or cover it. You are just going to make an excuse for why my video doesn't work, and make me record another video. This is an "appeal to ignorance". You will not admit you are wrong or provide counter evidence, you will simply keep asking me to prove my evidence is valid. You are always shifting the burden of proof away from yourself.

That is not fair to me, as it does take time and energy to make these videos.

If you feel my evidence is invalid, you need to provide counter evidence. For example, show a video of root rotting going wrong and wiping a group. Then we can analyze it and see if the issue is due to root rotting, skill, high mob resists, etc.

If I am so obviously wrong, it should be equally trivial for any of my detractors to provide counter evidence. So far not one video showing I am wrong has been posted in 436 pages.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have made it clear you will not accept any evidence provided.

How can you make such a statement in good conscience/faith when the only evidence you have provided thus far has been objectively irrelevant?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's far too late to try and deny it or cover it.

How so? Cover for what?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are just going to make an excuse for why my video doesn't work, and make me record another video.

You have no example of my reaction to RELEVANT evidence provided by yourself because you haven't ever provided it to begin with - so your above Quoted assumption is baseless (and also incorrect).

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an "argument from ignorance". You will not admit you are wrong or provide counter evidence, you will simply keep asking me to prove my evidence is valid. You are always shifting the burden of proof away from yourself.

I told you - the evidence you provided most recently was VALID, just not relevant. It is up to you to provide relevant evidence to support your claims. The specific burden of proof to prove your claim that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage) has been solely yours for almost a year.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not fair to me, as it does take time and energy to make these videos.

Sorry, life is not fair. It also takes others' time to review the evidence you've provided & confirm that it is not relevant/does not prove/validate/justify your previous claim made over tens? hundreds? of posts claiming that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage).

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you feel my evidence is invalid, you need to provide counter evidence. For example, show a video of root rotting going wrong and wiping a group. Then we can analyze it and see if the issue is due to root rotting, skill, high mob resists, etc.

I need only point out the irrefutable fact that the evidence you have provided contains zero evidence of your Shaman Root Rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group and thereby providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage.

Again, to be clear: the specific burden of proof to prove your claim that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage) has been solely yours for almost a year.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you make such a statement in good conscience/faith when the only evidence you have provided thus far has been objectively irrelevant?



How so? Cover for what?



You have no example of my reaction to relevant evidence provided by yourself because you haven't ever provided it to begin with - so your above Quoted assumption is baseless (and also incorrect).



I told you - the evidence you provided most recently was VALID, just not relevant. It is up to you to provide relevant evidence to support your claims. The specific burden of proof to prove your claim that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage) has been solely yours for almost a year.



Sorry, life is not fair. It also takes others' time to review the evidence you've provided & confirm that it is not relevant/does not prove/validate/justify your previous claim made over tens? hundreds? of posts claiming that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage).



I need only point out the irrefutable fact that the evidence you have provided contains zero evidence of your Shaman Root Rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group and thereby providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage.

Again, to be clear: the specific burden of proof to prove your claim that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage) has been solely yours for almost a year.

Thank you for proving my point. Let me know when you want to provide some counter evidence. Simply claiming another person's evidence is not relevant is... not relevant[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I'll talk to you again when you have provided some counter evidence.

[Karanis]

I don't know about you guys, but what I got from that video was; no UI, no GINA, 1st person half the time, staring at a mob's face while your casters were getting beat to shit, that enchanter literally would have died twice in the first 20 or so minutes if he hadn't saved himself with a stun/aoe mez due to DSM 1st person tanking, looking the wrong way, and clicking most of his spells. Large oof.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know about you guys, but what I got from that video was; no UI, no GINA, 1st person half the time, staring at a mob's face while your casters were getting beat to shit, that enchanter literally would have died twice in the first 20 or so minutes if he hadn't saved himself with a stun/aoe mez due to DSM 1st person tanking, looking the wrong way, and clicking most of his spells. Large oof.

You still haven't shown any videos of how you play. I would love to see your professional style! It's quite easy to criticize when there is nothing to compare against.

I am not sure why you think this helps your argument anyway. Me being bad at the game simply means a Shaman can perform even better when played correctly. I can play well enough to counter the points in this thread.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for proving my point. Let me know when you want to provide some counter evidence. Simply claiming another person's evidence is not relevant is... not relevant[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The above Quote is simply your opinion that "claiming another person's evidence is not relevant is not relevant" - which is simply your opinion, and does not change the objective facts.

I will remind you of those objective facts - which I just posted a few seconds ago, and which you did not acknowledge/argue/challenge/defend/attempt to refute - again:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I told you - the evidence you provided most recently was VALID, just not relevant. It is up to you to provide relevant evidence to support your claims. The specific burden of proof to prove your claim that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage) has been solely yours for almost a year.

Sorry, life is not fair. It also takes others' time to review the evidence you've provided & confirm that it is not relevant/does not prove/validate/justify your previous claim made over tens? hundreds? of posts claiming that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage).

I need only point out the irrefutable fact that the evidence you have provided contains zero evidence of your Shaman Root Rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group and thereby providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage.

Again, to be clear: the specific burden of proof to prove your claim that Shaman can Root Rot multiple mobs parallel to the group (providing a benefit to the group, and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic pet Mage) has been solely yours for almost a year.

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[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't shown any videos of how you play. I would love to see your professional style! It's quite easy to criticize when there is nothing to compare against.

It is quite disingenuous to submit evidence of, say, an Apple, and attempt to present it as an Orange. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Do we have a winner yet?

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Complete Heal is better in certain scenarios. Torpor + Slow will work just fine for the vast majority of content this group will be doing. You aren't healing a discing Warrior. It's mostly used to keep the same pet, which can be accomplished by a Shaman tanking. You need to give specific examples of a camp that is unslowable and need a Cleric to CH the pet for survivability purposes.

Stun Command is a great spell, but it has a 30 second cooldown. Shamans can slow the charm break if it's bad, root, or heal. Stuns also don't work on mobs level 55+, so it isn't like you can use it in every scenario.

Slow is not irrelevant when you can slow instead of the Enchanter. It saves them mana, and allows them to cast other spells while you are slowing. More Enchanter mana means the Enchanter can cast more spells in an emergency. Shamans also have a better slow than Enchanters. Same with Malo, Shaman Malo is better than Mage Mala.
Enchanters also do a lot of soloing at 60, that doesn't mean they are bad in groups.

I am still waiting on evidence for these kinds of claims. Again, I am not saying Clerics are bad. They are a great option. You are the one making the claim that Clerics will be far superior, and Shamans can't compete.

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Thanks for agreeing with me about pocket Clerics by the way.

It’s cute that you are searching other non related threads to try and gain some ground in this on me. It shows me how pathetically desperate you are, while still failing to provide any relevant data, despite going completely out of your way. I won’t even grace you with a rebuttal to that, I’ll let others discover the truth if they so choose.

Nice try failing to downplay clerics. Stun command lasts 9 seconds, so you’d have to get another break in 21 seconds for it to not work again, but even then they have multiple other stuns they can use for backup. It is objectively true that stun is the best defense against charm breaks compared to anything the shaman offers. And in the event that the mob is stun immune, the cleric can both rip/heal better than the shaman if needed, and root as well.

The fact that you think the shaman is saving the mana of an enchanter by slowing tells me You know nothing about enchanter play. If an enchanter is allowed to keep a pet, they have no mana issues. Between c2, tot, wandering mind, etc they are more than fine. They can also use lower level slows, like tepid, or give their pet a swarm caller if they need to save some mana for some rare reason. In fact I used tepid for majority of content as 70+% slow is usually overkill.

Enchanters translate into all group compositions because of their charm dps. I’m not sure why you keep failing to realize this, or just purposely neglect it which you’re likely doing. So yes, you can scale them indefinitely from solo to group play. 6 enchanters in a group is perfectly fine. 6 shamans would just be all clicking their jbb in desperation.

Again, shamans are an acceptable class. If you want to roll with one, that’s fine. It’s just that clerics are objectively better in this group comp.

[fortior]

Nobody is doing hate minis without a rez at their beck and call, everyone knows this except for the loser who leveled one class to 60 and now has to keep arguing that it’s the bestest, most special one. You’re all arguing with a dude who has 1 lv60 with mediocre raid gear on a 13 year old eq1 server. The most elite camps he can think of are fungi king and PoM static rooms. It’s extremely funny when he gets wound up and tries to be witty but please don’t take him seriously.