Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 430

Crede · #**4291** 07-02-2023, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I accept your story as a concession that you cannot back up your claims. I do find the story amusing for sure! I also think Wizards are a fine class.

However, if you wanted a solo crew with a dedicated Wizard, a Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard group would be an even stronger option in that scenario. The Shaman can solo something like A4 while there are no duo targets available. The Cleric cannot solo as much as a Shaman, so you are restricting your options by forcing a duo + solo split with Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard. You could have a 3 player solo split with a Shaman. Nobody seems to be disagreeing with the idea that Shamans are a very strong solo class. When an Enchanter does need backup for a harder target, the Shaman will work just fine. That is the whole purpose of the Wizard after all, being able to gather up the group members quickly to hit a target.

You can also just roll Barbarian if you care so much about looking like a human as a Shaman.

This was another sad strawman attempt to flex shamans. If you all want to separate, there’s no group. You just all solo/duo and pay dials as needed.

The reality is even a wizard brings more than a shaman. Nobody wants a shaman being the main healer when you’re fighting non trivial mobs. The wizard with vp robe can out dps a shaman, it can port, it can rip better, snare, aoe, and has a better root. Also has better nukes and lure nukes as well. With aoe snare they can safely pull groups of mobs too. Much better puller than a shaman.

Shamans are only needed in this group if torpor and cheal is needed. I’ve said this many times. No mob needs cheal and torp that is 4 mannable.

This is no contest, I’m sorry shamans don’t fit into every composition. Still a great class.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**4292** 07-02-2023, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was another sad strawman attempt to flex shamans. If you all want to separate, there’s no group. You just all solo/duo and pay dials as needed.

The reality is even a wizard brings more than a shaman. Nobody wants a shaman being the main healer when you’re fighting non trivial mobs. The wizard with vp robe can out dps a shaman, it can port, it can rip better, snare, aoe, and has a better root. Also has better nukes and lure nukes as well. With aoe snare they can safely pull groups of mobs too. Much better puller than a shaman.

Shamans are only needed in this group if torpor and cheal is needed. I’ve said this many times. No mob needs cheal and torp that is 4 mannable.

This is no contest, I’m sorry shamans don’t fit into every composition. Still a great class.

I am not the one who suggested the farm crew Wizard group that separates for more loot. That was fortior. I agree it is a separate group type, and I said as much earlier. As per usual, you aren't really sure what we are talking about in this thread.

You can at least admit I proved you wrong with your strange ideas about solo videos vs. group videos. You can extrapolate group DPS from solo videos just fine.

It is time you show something besides words for your claims. You have provided nothing in this thread so far other than some weird obsession with downplaying Shamans for no apparent reason.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**4293** 07-02-2023, 06:50 PM

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Nobody wants a shaman being the main healer when you’re fighting non trivial mobs.

Also on this point specifically you are just wrong. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very strong trio, and has been suggested on this forum for years. It can take non trivial mobs just fine. I don't know why you keep making blanket statements with nothing to back it up. It's easy to find evidence that contradicts it by simply searching the forums. You are weakening your position when you do this.

Gloomlord · #**4294** 07-02-2023, 11:51 PM

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I am not the one who suggested the farm crew Wizard group that separates for more loot. That was fortior. I agree it is a separate group type, and I said as much earlier. As per usual, you aren't really sure what we are talking about in this thread.

You can at least admit I proved you wrong with your strange ideas about solo videos vs. group videos. You can extrapolate group DPS from solo videos just fine.

It is time you show something besides words for your claims. You have provided nothing in this thread so far other than some weird obsession with downplaying Shamans for no apparent reason.

You have a weird obsession with glorifying Shamans and downplaying Mages. Two can play at that game.

Well done for making a video that completely missed the point of what we were talking about.

fortior · #**4295** 07-02-2023, 11:59 PM

Why is the ‘farm crew’ setup invalid, it’s not a different type of group, it’s just the best way to setup your group. Sorry you don’t plan for moving around lol. Sorry DSM but you’re still playing tic tac toe while everyone else moved on to chess years ago. EQ1 is an extremely easy game, playing a solo shaman should be laughed at, its the EQ class version of ‘dude who peaked in high school’. All the melees have velious gear and primals now, enchanters have 2k life unbuffed, it’s over, you have no purpose anymore

DeathsSilkyMist · #**4296** 07-03-2023, 01:17 AM

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Why is the ‘farm crew’ setup invalid, it’s not a different type of group, it’s just the best way to setup your group. Sorry you don’t plan for moving around lol. Sorry DSM but you’re still playing tic tac toe while everyone else moved on to chess years ago. EQ1 is an extremely easy game, playing a solo shaman should be laughed at, its the EQ class version of ‘dude who peaked in high school’. All the melees have velious gear and primals now, enchanters have 2k life unbuffed, it’s over, you have no purpose anymore

It's not an invalid setup, but it is a different setup. Having people solo in different places isn't a "group" in the way people think, it is players pooling their resources.

Playing a Shaman is fine, and there are a lot of 60 Shamans that still play. Not sure why you are just saying random stuff that can be disproven with a /w all 60 shaman lol. You are making my point by saying EQ is easy. You don't need to CH pets to be efficient, precisely for that reason.

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You have a weird obsession with glorifying Shamans and downplaying Mages. Two can play at that game.

Well done for making a video that completely missed the point of what we were talking about.

Mages are a fun class. I don't dislike them at all. The class just has a double whammy of having an extremely hard to get Epic combined with no real CC. They often end up as CoTH bots because of their limitations. I wish it wasn't so.

My video didn't miss the point at all. People were claiming solo videos can't be used to show how gameplay works in a group scenario, such as DPS, and they are wrong. That was the whole reason for hundreds of pages of trolling. Sorry you wasted your time with the trolling. Now you need to bring evidence showing proof of your claims that a Shaman is going to be vastly inferior to a Cleric or Mage when grouping with an Enchanter.

Gloomlord · #**4297** 07-03-2023, 01:39 AM

Can a Shaman heal a 2 charm group? Yes.

Are they the most optimal healer for it? No.

Do they output the same DPS as a Mage? No.

Are they better than a Mage in 4th spot over when a Cleric is available? No.

As Troxx said: this isn't rocket science, DSM.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**4298** 07-03-2023, 01:43 AM

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Can a Shaman heal a 2 charm group? Yes.

Are they the most optimal healer for it? No.

Do they output the same DPS as a Mage? No.

Are they better than a Mage in 4th spot over Shaman when a Cleric is available? No.

As Troxx said: this isn't rocket science, DSM.

All words no evidence. Time to prove what you say!

It also isn't rocket science as to how DPS calculations work, but here we are at page 400 where you realize you were wrong the whole time.

With your track record of trolling without evidence, you need to redeem yourself with some videos and logs showing this superior group.

Gloomlord · #**4299** 07-03-2023, 01:49 AM

"I'm going to make a video where I heal 2 charm classes and do some paltry DPS. That'll show 'em that I was right all along about how Shamans are better than Mages in the 4th spot"

I'm the troll? LOL!

DeathsSilkyMist · #**4300** 07-03-2023, 01:53 AM

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"I'm going to make a video where I heal 2 charm classes and do some paltry DPS. That'll show 'em that I was right all along about how Shamans are better than Mages in the 4th spot"

I'm the troll? LOL!

You missed the entire point of the video. Remember when you said you can't use solo videos to show how game mechanics worked in groups? You were wrong, and so was Troxx. You can indeed parse class DPS solo, and it will reflect in a group scenario.

This invalidates the hundreds of pages of trolling.