2020 Election MEGAthread

[Lune]

Fascism resembles modern American liberalism much more than its conservatism.

Fascism, in its Nazi or Italian form, is the belief in the nation state as a brotherhood of man, with "man" being the people of the dominant culture/race. Those people enjoy generous social benefits, universal healthcare, massive education investment, strong government oversight and investment in physical and social infrastructure to ensure fairness and equality of opportunity. Free enterprise is allowed, but only when conducted with proper values, and businesses deemed parasitic or exploitative are nationalized by the government.

Obviously not all these ideals were lived up to by Italy and Germany, and nazis were immensely corrupt, but fascist countries were very well run especially compared to their pre-war predecessors.

Compare this to conservative America which earnestly believes, not in the free market, but in the unfettered power of corporate syndicates, with its politicians mostly concerned with looting lower and middle class wealth and opportunity to make life easier for billionaires.

Honestly it's an insult to fascism.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fascism resembles modern American liberalism much more than its conservatism.

Fascism, in its Nazi or Italian form, is the belief in the nation state as a brotherhood of man, with "man" being the people of the dominant culture/race. Those people enjoy generous social benefits, universal healthcare, massive education investment, strong government oversight and investment in physical and social infrastructure to ensure fairness and equality of opportunity. Free enterprise is allowed, but only when conducted with proper values, and businesses deemed parasitic or exploitative are nationalized by the government.
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Thank you. This is the key difference when people just talk about some authoritarian regime and call it fascist. Same thing with most Muslim countries. They're into the umma, they have all these benefits, economy check, values check, why are they not fascist? Because it's religion based. It comes from above. It's not an innate feeling. Same thing with all these banana states. People say this guy is fascist or that guy, but is he trying to unify the nation into one body? No, just some regular oppressor. That state exists only as long as the guy or his family is in power. A true fascist state aims to last forever, or well, at least 1000 years.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you. This is the key difference when people just talk about some authoritarian regime and call it fascist. Same thing with most Muslim countries. They're into the umma, they have all these benefits, economy check, values check, why are they not fascist? Because it's religion based. It comes from above. It's not an innate feeling. Same thing with all these banana states. People say this guy is fascist or that guy, but is he trying to unify the nation into one body? No, just some regular oppressor. That state exists only as long as the guy or his family is in power. A true fascist state aims to last forever, or well, at least 1000 years.

Baathists are fascists tho

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you. This is the key difference when people just talk about some authoritarian regime and call it fascist. Same thing with most Muslim countries. They're into the umma, they have all these benefits, economy check, values check, why are they not fascist? Because it's religion based. It comes from above. It's not an innate feeling. Same thing with all these banana states. People say this guy is fascist or that guy, but is he trying to unify the nation into one body? No, just some regular oppressor. That state exists only as long as the guy or his family is in power. A true fascist state aims to last forever, or well, at least 1000 years.

Again, trump isn’t a fascist, he just shouldn’t be tossing the norms of our democracy out the window. It isn’t healthy for what comes next. Also, who is the next republican waiting in the wings? It’s going to be much harder to keep the coalition of white working class midwesterners voting as a bloc with corporate profiteers like McConnell. I don’t think anyone has the charisma, and I doubt anyone would believe their sincerity. Pence? Nikki Haley?

Trump has damaged the Republican Party and has, in the long run, made actual left wing views like those espoused by AOC gain more traction. I’m not sure how that isn’t obvious, but maybe him losing Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina will wake you guys up to how much some people, like myself, who are sympathetic to republicans and utterly can’t stand liberals just could not stomach TRUMP being god awful in every metric this year. He is right about China being an evil shit pile, he’s been wrong about everything else

Stand back and standby for your annihilation at the ballot box, assuming we still count ballots. Who knows, trump might do away with that as well at this point

[Patriam1066]

TLDR: challenging the elections as a sitting president is a serious issue and it weakens the norms that set the rules for our democracy. Washington’s precedent kept the presidential term to 8 years without it being law for 1.5 centuries. That’s how powerful an idea is. Ideas like destroying our elections can be similarly powerful, and it’s doubtful we’re going to find an augustus or a similarly benevolent dictator to rule us if this collapses. It’s not funny guys, it really isn’t. Trump is an ass hole, and all the guys around him like Mitch McConnell are as well. You guys care about guns and free speech and political correctness, but not your history, your democracy, and the legacy of George Washington? I don’t get it. Trump sucks, how is that not obvious at this point?

Also, can we please kick turkey out of NATO and save the Armenians from genocide? Are there any Christians with spines?

[Nirgon]

Almost all of you have had it and didnt even realize it. Shits a dud unless youre feeble.

[peterpal]

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He's getting the best treatment anyone is going to get, of course he's going to make it

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t think he’s a fascist, but delegitimizing the elections is more serious than his supporters will admit.

Well beg to differ but I believe the radical left has done more to delegitimize the normal political process than anyone. But because their friends control the media you are fed a steady diet of clips of lies about Trump supporting Nazis or stealing mailboxes. Stealing fucking mailboxes for chrissake! Said it with a straight face too. In the middle of the riots, with stores and homes burning, who said we should keep that going? Trump? Or was it Kamala who told the nation that "Everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not". What is this, vote our way or we will burn down your country? How does that legitimize our process?

I think you're a little rose-colored glasses about our democracy. I lived in Chicago and vote-stealing, harvesting and destruction was the order of the day. People would pay cash for your vote so your corrupt alderman never had to worry about some jerkoff challenger. Trump raises some questions about all this sudden mail overload vote coming our way that we're totally not prepared to go with, and he's seeing Democrat states pushing for all that mail voting when IN PERSON VOTING IS PERFECTLY SAFE. It's safe for me to go to fucking Dunkin Donuts but the polling place is too dangerous? Of course it's a scam. A vote in the mail, no one knows what happens to that, and it's been historically the most corrupt portion of our process. But it's fine now. Totally cool. Whoa, look at Trump delegitimize our corruption, not fair, let's make it look like he's trying to do it.

You'll see, after the election, all these Biden votes will start to flow in, just enough to tilt the balance in key districts, but absolutely no more because the Democrats are lazy as shit.

[Patriam1066]

Is there a radical left in politics? Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, all pro business and trade. They’re center right in any European party

As for culture, the only truly dumb far left shit we have is white guilt and trans people advocating for stupid things like trans women competing as females (isn’t fair regardless how you try to justify it) and hormone therapy done to children by parents who are probably virtue signaling. I think the rest of us are ok wirh gay marriage, abortion (to a lesser extent), etc

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think “the left” holds any political power, and I can’t remember them not accepting elections, even when they’ve lost the electoral college while winning the popular vote twice in the recent past

[Patriam1066]

Also, it isn’t a competition bud. Trump cast doubt on our elections. You can’t do that shit, period.