Lols TMO - Page 43

Lazie · #**421** 06-08-2014, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by doyoueventrainbro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So where is the line? It's ok to train people if you have 4-6 guild members in a zone?

Is it ok to KS a a draco or something with 3 wizards then and no penalty towards the guild they are aligned in?

Where's the line, bro?

Um...It's never ok to train a group of players. That is why TMO doesn't condone it or do it in the raiding environment. That is why the offending player was guild removed. Is Caleros still in IB after training Nexona onto TMO pretty blatantly after IB wiped to Nexona ? Did that Caleros train of Nexona get IB fully raid suspended ? I can answer the 2 questions for you... Yes he is still in IB and no his solo actions did not get IB a full raid suspension. Precedent shows that the penalty is usually not at harsh as you guys are making it out to be. The GM came to that decision as well in the Nexona incident.

As for KSing and what makes a guild liable. I think the encounter logs showing your entire guild on the mob supports that more than "3 Wizards" engaged the Draco. I am sure it would have been a different story if your guild leader's alt wasn't the 4th person on the encounter logs with the rest of your guild when a GM checked it.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**422** 06-08-2014, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

The guild didn't do it, though, the player did. You're right about severe punishments, though. I'd say 6 month vacation with perma ban on 2nd offense of intentional training.

Dragonsblood1987 · #**423** 06-08-2014, 10:24 PM

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

VANVEM · #**424** 06-08-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Already answered that before. Not my fault you can't keep up with the BS you spew and the responses it gets.

ok, reread every page and nope, I DO NOT see the answer to my question, so one more time with out the "back and forth, play both sides of the fence, never admit shit til caught red handed" routine. A simple yes or no will suffice

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

anything other than a Yes or no, will show that once again you are avoiding the question

HeallunRumblebelly · #**425** 06-08-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonsblood1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

Did AG make that decision as a guild or did those 5 players conspire together? The punishment should fit bearing this in mind. I don't think anyone really wanted AG suspended, that was on the GMs due to the very specific nature of the lockout rules.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**426** 06-08-2014, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok, reread every page and nope, I DO NOT see the answer to my question, so one more time with out the "back and forth, play both sides of the fence, never admit shit til caught red handed" routine. A simple yes or no will suffice

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

anything other than a Yes or no, will show that once again you are avoiding the question

Can you clarify what his role in the event was before we answer yes or no :P

Lazie · #**427** 06-08-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok, reread every page and nope, I DO NOT see the answer to my question, so one more time with out the "back and forth, play both sides of the fence, never admit shit til caught red handed" routine. A simple yes or no will suffice

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

anything other than a Yes or no, will show that once again you are avoiding the question

I have answered the question before. You seem to be too dense to see your question is a fallacy. Unbrella had no role in the train so the question you are asking is pointless. If being immature in OOC was a crime then everyone would be banned. Officers from both sides were immature in communications that day. It doesn't make the officers accountable for the actions taken by an individual.

Dragonsblood1987 · #**428** 06-08-2014, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did AG make that decision as a guild or did those 5 players conspire together? The punishment should fit bearing this in mind. I don't think anyone really wanted AG suspended, that was on the GMs due to the very specific nature of the lockout rules.

So basically if TMO trains it's just the one guy at fault as though he's untagged, but if 5 people from guild 1 go to help guild 2 it's hands down definitely a ban worthy guild wide offense? TMO must know just how sirken likes that dick worked.

Dragonsblood1987 · #**429** 06-08-2014, 10:35 PM

And I wouldn't call helping a guild out a "conspiracy".

Lazie · #**430** 06-08-2014, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonsblood1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically if TMO trains it's just the one guy at fault as though he's untagged, but if 5 people from guild 1 go to help guild 2 it's hands down definitely a ban worthy guild wide offense? TMO must know just how sirken likes that dick worked.

No the difference is Class R vs Class C. Class R is restricted for a reason. It guarantees spawns that Class C guilds can't touch for other guilds on the server to have an opportunity to kill. Lockouts are in place on these mobs to make sure these spawns can't be monopolized by 1 or 2 guilds. While what AG did (Helping out Europa) isn't something bad in intent. It did break the lockout rule in place that you must follow to be eligible to kill Class R mobs.