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10-19-2012, 10:58 PM
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The real challenge is the fact that any idea of God is so amorphous that no matter what an atheist says to challenge it, there's always a rebuttal that says "well couldn't it be possible that this god is really just a genie in a lamp on Mars?". Possible, but just as possible that Norrath exists on a planet somewhere in the universe or parallel dimension and we're all possessing the bodies of its inhabitants. Prove me wrong. Also, there's only one kind of atheist and we're about as religious about their atheism as a toaster is Catholic.
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#412
10-19-2012, 11:12 PM
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There could be a teapot orbitting the sun on the opposite side from Earth. There is nothing rational about arbitrarily believing that it is so.
The God rationale: I don't know what happened before I existed. Therefore, giant daddy in the sky. | ||
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#413
10-19-2012, 11:19 PM
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Gods and their religions were created so that people could feel as though death was meted out thoughtfully by a universal Daddy who prefers their group. Religious traditions are a peaceful framework around which to structure a life...when they are not compelling slaughter or indoctrination of the "other." The era of deep and nuanced understanding of religious thought is over and the trend now is to codify, interpret and dictate religious literature as though ascertaining an "original meaning" were possible and would lead to truth.
Religious faith is indefensible. Of course it is not scientifically false: it is built to be unfalsifiable. To borrow a phrase from Pauli, it is "not even wrong." It is utterly boring, like hearing about other people's dreams. There is no substance to discuss: only layers of interpretation piled onto a first person singular account of a mental occurrence. Snore. Lose your religion: be less boring. If you figure out a way back to your god, I bet he will forgive you. Militant atheists are insufferable, but at least they found their way to square one. | ||
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10-20-2012, 12:44 AM
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10-20-2012, 02:01 AM
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* Statements which can be proven wrong (i.e. the sun is blue) * Statements which have not yet been proven wrong but can be (most of what we consider science) * Statements which cannot be proven wrong (i.e. God) There is no experiment you can design that will disprove the existence of God. It's purely a matter of faith or not. Or, to requote Pauli, it's not even right or wrong, just unproveable. And religions are usually designed to make it so.
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10-20-2012, 02:10 AM
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Greece: 135% debt to GDP, 15%+ interest rate on bonds USA: 100% debt to GDP, 3% interest rate on bonds, 10% of GDP deficit per year The main reason that the US pays way less (12% less) interest is that the dollar is the reserve currency of the world. Suppose the US had to pay 15% a year on its debt just like Greece. 16 trillion * 15% = 2.25 trillion dollars. That is greater roughly equivalent to the entire Federal budget. If taxes were doubled to account for it, the resulting destruction of productivity would bring the economy to a grinding halt. There is no legitimate way to clear this up. The US would have to either default or go through a hyperinflationary episode. Either way would involve massive, massive economic pain. P.S. I love the analogy about Bush taking a giant dump in the White House and then Obama smearing it all over the walls. It perfectly encapsulates how I feel about our two presidents.
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