Raid Changes

[falkun]

I didn't think players could arbitrarily decide if mobs are "raid mobs" or not, Silentone. Until we can, I have to go by the impression that Maestro is a raid mob, because that's what CSR has stated publicly and that is the modus operandi guilds will follow on this server.

Following that decision, if a group has been at Maestro's spawn since 6:23PM waiting at Maestro for him to spawn at 7:43PM and another group shows up at 7:42PM, it's an FTE race. If Maestro is no longer a "raid mob", the impending problem is non-existent, otherwise the server is back at square one.

No one farms Tangrin or Wrath of Shissar because the Enchanter epic is almost entirely combines. The two drops you are referring to are part of one such combine. The enchanter epic is almost impossible to MQ due to this fact. Its a lot easier to MQ trak guts or hand of the maestro, which are components in multi-item turn-ins.

Look, I'm all for reducing variance, but I'm not sure this would have the consequences you desire Giegue. I'm just trying to get you to view this from another angle.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one farms Tangrin or Wrath of Shissar because the Enchanter epic is almost entirely combines. The two drops you are referring to are part of one such combine. The enchanter epic is almost impossible to MQ due to this fact. Its a lot easier to MQ trak guts or hand of the maestro, which are components in multi-item turn-ins.

Sure you can't MQ it, but you can still sell the loot rights. I feel like no one does this because it just wouldn't be profitable due to the accessibility of these mobs, which is mostly because they have no variance.

I'm not sure maestro should be considered a raid mob at all, just because he's so trivial, but that's just my opinion.

Should Phinny have a variance? He can drop MQ's for several epics, all of which are fairly rare. Are we concerned that phinny not having a variance screws over casual players?

Like I said before, we can all speculate about what would happen, but in the end the only evidence we have is (a) what happens with similar mobs on this server, and (b) what happened with maestro on classic when he had no variance, and in neither case does the doomsday scenario of maestro being camped 24/7 happen.

[falkun]

Loot rights expire in 30 minutes (assuming they aren't on 7 minute corpse timers). Unless you have an enchanter with no friends who "hires" your group/guild to kill Tangrin/Wrath for him, good luck getting a buyer to fork over 200k and get to the corpse in 30 minutes. But that just screams RMT because high level enchanters all have a solid group of friends that would help them get their epic (if only to make their group better), or a guild that would do the same.

If you want to argue for Maestro to not be a raid mob, I can see that argument. But as I've already stated, I cannot act in that manner until the rest of the server is forced to also act in that manner (acting in good faith in 46+ raid zones often gets you burned on P99).

Phinny is also a 12hr respawn, 1/6th the time of Maestro's three days. There will be approximately 12 Phinny corpses between each Maestro, making his loot 12x as common. I will agree that invising down to Phinny and killing him is only slightly less risky/difficult than getting up to Maestro and killing him.

[Autotune]

You take maestro's variance away and this is what will happen.

The spawn time will spread across every guild that can take him down (pretty much every guild with 10 or more 60s/high 50s

You won't have a 50% shot of fte, it will be more around 25% or less.

You will have guilds finally showing up who probably couldn't kill maestro, just to hope to snag fte and have the mass of people burn him down.

It will only get worse as every guild with any warriors will want their free hand/loot because all they will have to do is wait a few minutes and hope to get FTE.


Taking just maestro's variance won't solve anything. You need to remove all of them at the same time and do it on a repop.

[Tasslehofp99]

Post wont matter once velious comes out. Then all the non BDA/TMO + Enraptured can get their epic as well without all the pissing and moaning.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

without all the pissing and moaning.

I'm glad to hear you're going to stop whining about your poor footing in this virtual world.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad to hear you're going to stop whining about your poor footing in this virtual world.

lol, my footing is fine for me man. I've got a job and I am a full time student currently in my 2nd year of college and I've got best in slot everything except 3 peices, one of which I wont see without joining TMO (crown of rile). I've no need to lower myself to the standards of joining TMO to get pixels cause im such a boss I get them on my own. Matter of fact I think there is like 2 druids in TMO with better gear then me overall. But sure go ahead and talk shiz; I know TMO wishes I would apply to their guild so I could show their druids how to really play. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


But seriously, the spawn variance on this server isn't the problem. I dont think removing variance on mobs would help other less hardcore guilds get mobs unless they also reset the server every 2-3 weeks at random times (artificial patch days) to reset mobs timers all together. I mean shit the server is down almost daily anyway...[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Post wont matter once velious comes out. Then all the non BDA/TMO + Enraptured can get their epic as well without all the pissing and moaning.

speaking of velious where is it !?

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

speaking of velious where is it !?

Somewhere off the southern coast of Antonica to the west of Kunark in the middle of the ocean. It's the large tundra landmass with the canyons.

[Fazlazen]

If it wasnt for tmo, every single player on the server would have a crown of rile. Tmo is ruining my experience !