Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[Duik]

Yes, you are clearly a troll at this point based on your pattern of behavior. You are going to need to change how you act before I trust you again.

You have never "QA'ed" the forum before, but all of a sudden decided to use my post to do so. I've never seen someone randomly post a forum bug in a thread either. If you thought it was a bug, you can contact the devs of the forum. It's very suspicious to say the least.

You have a pattern of pushing back on my points, while never pushing back on other people's points. I don't mind the push back, but I find it odd you ignore all of the mathematical flaws in Troxx's post or others posts on a consistent basis. If you were being unbiased and genuinely trying to find the answer to the problem, you should statistically push back on other posters occasionally.

Jesus christ.

Mr brown is the most placating human on the boards. Yet you find fault in his approach to you.
He is (could have been before that post) virtually your best friend here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus christ.

Mr brown is the most placating human on the boards. Yet you find fault in his approach to you.
He is (could have been before that post) virtually your best friend here.

Your judgment on character is completely irrelevant, as you are a troll too. At least you have the courtesy to always act like a troll though!

[sajbert]

Got a 54 ogre sham with fungi and I have tried both Epic root rot and JBB-spam.

Multi-root rotting is faster if you have a good location. JBB can be thrown in but it’s super annoying to get root breaks and didn’t seem to save much time. Being troll or iksar would’ve helped a marginal amount. Pet would mop up.

For single target Epic+ JBB-meleespam was the way to go. The extra meleeswings in-between were a bit of added damage too.

[Toxigen]

go outside

[Snaggles]

Just checking back to see how petty and unhinged this has become.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just checking back to see how petty and unhinged this has become.

Agreed. The lengths people will go to just to troll others over simple game mechanics is very sad.

They are hurting the community. Providing bad information to players because you want to troll other posters is destructive.

In Troxx's latest math post that he thought was correct: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=430

He has the Iksar Shaman Regenerate 1441 health over 188 seconds, which isn't possible. A level 58 Shaman is regenerating 16 sitting + 15 regrowth = 31 HP per tick assuming perfect sits on tick. 188 seconds is 31 ticks. 31 x 31 = 961 HP. He gave the DoT Shaman like 500 more HP than he should have.

I made some mistakes in my math calculations as well, which I have owned up to and fixed https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=445 . Troxx has yet to do the same.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let’s agree that:
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-both shamans have racial regen/fungi and regrowth

So they should have racial regen + fungi + regrowth. Got it.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He has the Iksar Shaman Regenerate 1441 health over 188 seconds, which isn't possible. A level 58 Shaman is regenerating 16 sitting + 15 regrowth = 31 HP per tick assuming perfect sits on tick. 188 seconds is 31 ticks. 31 x 31 = 961 HP.

You're missing fungi regen.

46 * 31 = 1426 which is oddly 15 less than 1441 but pretty close.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're missing fungi regen.
46 * 31 = 1426 which is oddly 15 less than 1441 but pretty close.

Ah he actually used Fungi Tunic in his example. I wasn't using it in any of my examples. If he want's to include it, I'll redo my calculations. I also noticed a few flaws in my math from my previous post. I'll fix them here:

Criteria
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1. Two Level 58 Shamans. One is an Iksar root/rotting, the other is an Ogre with JBB.
2. Mob does 10 DPS while slowed with Togor's Insects.
3. 7000 HP mob, A Ratfink from PoM Rat Maze.
4. Both Shamans have Fungi Tunic.
5. Both Shamans have Regrowth on themselves, and Haste on their Pets.

Ogre with JBB
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- JBB (32.8 DPS) + Hasted Pet (17 DPS) + Blight, Hammer of the Scourge weapon proc (2.2 DPS) = 53 DPS
- 726 HP recovered from Standing Regen (3 HP) + Fungi Tunic (15 HP) + Regrowth (15 HP) over 22 ticks
- 1320 damage taken from face tanking (10 DPS)
- 22 Mana recovered from Standing Regen (1 Mana) over 22 ticks
- 175 Mana spent on 1x Togor's Insects
- 6 Mana spent on overhead from casting Mortal Deftness 1x per hour

Total HP Spent: 594
Total Mana Spent: 159
Total Fight Time: 132 seconds
Total Meditation Time after combat: 48 seconds to recover 168 mana and 288 HP.

180 Seconds per encounter, regenerating the last bit of HP while pulling.

Iksar without JBB using root/rotting
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- 2x Envenomed Bolt (2665 Damage) + 1x Plague (1270 Damage) + Hasted and Regened Pet (17 DPS) = ~37.2 DPS when factoring in DoTs will not be active for the full fight
- 1426 HP recovered from Sitting Regen (16 HP) + Fungi Tunic (15 HP) + Regrowth (15 HP) over 31 ticks
- 651 Mana recovered from Sitting Regen (21 Mana) over 31 ticks
- 640 Mana spent on 2x Envenomed Bolts
- 300 Mana spent on 1x Plague
- 175 Mana spent on 1x Togor's Insects
- 30 Mana spent on 1x Root
- 100 Mana and 30 HP spent due to losing 5 Sitting Regen ticks while casting the 5 spells above
- 69 Mana spent on overhead from casting Regen on Pet 4x per hour
- 485 damage taken to pet (1880 damage - 1395 regenerated from 45 HP a tick)

Total HP Gained: 1456
Total Mana Spent: 663
Total Fight Time: 188 seconds
Total Recovery Time: 0 seconds, you can recover the 663 mana spent using the 1456 HP gained.

188 Seconds per encounter, regenerating the last bit of pet HP while pulling. This assumes no spell resists, root breaks, getting hit by the mob, or missing canni dance ticks during combat.

The Iksar who is root/rotting has an increased opportunity cost in getting spell resists, as they are casting 3 high mana value spells per battle over the Ogre with JBB. JBB has a zero mana cost associated with it being resisted. The Iksar who is root rotting has a significant increase in the chances of a root break, which means spending HP/Mana to re-root. The Iksar also has increased chance of fizzling. This is why an Ogre with JBB ends up beating out a root/rotting Iksar Shaman. The reduction in RnG coupled with the JBB Shaman's ability to still regenerate quickly out of combat while pulling allows for a more consistent play style that is less likely to get interrupted by bad luck. You end up saving quite a bit of mana from not getting spell resists on your 300+ mana DoTs and re-rooting mobs.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Main thing I gather, with the specific purpose of this thread in mind, is the Iksar or other non-Jaundice shaman can down the targets at approximately the same rate, just have to do a bit more work to do so. Bracer does make a good case for itself as a labor-saving device. The estimated 8-10 sec or so difference is close enough as to be not particularly significant. For the purpose of the casual reader that does count, I think, as broadly equivalent capability and should reassure the iksar player that he isn't seriously harming himself in not having that item.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Main thing I gather, with the specific purpose of this thread in mind, is the Iksar or other non-Jaundice shaman can down the targets at approximately the same rate, just have to do a bit more work to do so. Bracer does make a good case for itself as a labor-saving device. The estimated 8-10 sec or so difference is close enough as to be not particularly significant. For the purpose of the casual reader that does count, I think, as broadly equivalent capability and should reassure the iksar player that he isn't seriously harming himself in not having that item.

For the purposes of this thread we did indeed answer OP's question on page 1:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As Toxigen said, JBB isn't necessary for any endgame content.

I still use mine at 60, JBB isn't just for powerleveling. Saving spell slots is always very nice on a Shaman.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=umuVBewCNgY - An example of using JBB on Cliff Golems. I did 5000ish damage with JBB, which is 1/6th of it's life.

The mathematical details of leveling with JBB https://project1999.com/forums/showp...&postcount=457 are presented to counter Troxx's incorrect idea that JBB is only good to level with from 45-51. Using PoM rat maze as an example shows JBB still has the edge over root rotting when it comes to leveling from 55-60, even when comparing an Ogre to an Iksar. JBB would be even faster on a Troll compared to an Iksar, since they get regen and JBB. Barbarian would be faster too with the XP bonus they get and JBB.

With that said, nobody should worry. If you pick a race that levels slower because you like the way they look, you are already satisfied with the tradeoff. All races can level to 60 just fine.