The real story behind the Nihilum forced disbanding.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nihilum fucked itself by shitting on it's core time after time. I was in Nihilum before you joined the box, was in it December 2011, and even then it was clear. Rather than focus on rewarding it's core veterans who kept logging on and accruing DKP that they couldn't use any longer, they kept inviting Random_New_Person01 that we didn't need. We were slaying the dragons with no competition as it was with our core. The zero accountability of Nizzar and his decision making led to his downfall. c u in thurgadin

While I will agree on some parts I think everyone can agree that without GM intervention the guild would still exist and still be top on the server. So while those decisions might have been bad only the external game ones brought the guild down.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

without GM intervention nihilum would have never lasted after the first 2 or 3 months of the server while getting deepdicked by holocaust 1.0

While it could be true, those 2-3 months were pretty small in comparison to the years Nihilum dominated the server and the amount of guilds that were raised and put down by them.

So far the new Holo has only put down one guild, and that's Azrael. It is not Holos fought there has only been one guild to fight so far though. Time will tell if the new Holo maintains their position for years to come. In 2-3 years we will know the answer to that question.

[quido]

Nihilum never beat a single credible guild. Credible.

[heartbrand]

Those 2-3 months were key to what happened. Had the staff not banned Holocaust, the unfettered zerging that Nihilum was able to do would never have occurred. Nihilum benefited from being the only option to slay dragons post holo ban. As we've seen before on this server and even recently, once a guild gets a lead on the competition here it's basically impossible to knock them off the perch.

Back to the other point though, it should come as no surprise that Nihilum's downfall came from burning it's own members and the unchecked abuse of power that Nizzar wielded. Luckily, Holocaust has a strong officer core that works as a unit, and a leadership structure that cares about server growth.

[Ragnaros]

Elderan nust bring the duke back we are waiting and counting on you

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those 2-3 months were key to what happened. Had the staff not banned Holocaust, the unfettered zerging that Nihilum was able to do would never have occurred. Nihilum benefited from being the only option to slay dragons post holo ban. As we've seen before on this server and even recently, once a guild gets a lead on the competition here it's basically impossible to knock them off the perch.

Back to the other point though, it should come as no surprise that Nihilum's downfall came from burning it's own members and the unchecked abuse of power that Nizzar wielded. Luckily, Holocaust has a strong officer core that works as a unit, and a leadership structure that cares about server growth.

It is easy to say how things should have been. But when trying to hold a guild together on a server when the turnover is so high things can lose sight or become muddy.

I myself just tried to point Nihilum in right direction when it came to seeing things from a more clear perspective. Ultimately though I was not the one at the steering wheel. I was just the one saying "hey I think we should go this way".

I wish you guys good luck, I really do. I have no skin in the game at this point, and I have no hard feelings for anyone that kept it in game. All I am saying is that its too early to tell. At some point Holo will be challenged by external and internal competition, and the one that you fail to see is the one that ends up destroying you. Those will be the real test.

[Kergan]

Only common theme that we all can agree upon is everyone has easily beaten Azrael.

[heartbrand]

Nihilum had an atmosphere of "I really hate this guild but if I want pixels this is the only way to go, and man that Lite guy is a faggot". The atmosphere in Holocaust has been incredibly positive. Everyone is having a blast.

[krazyGlue]

let this thread die. holy fuck

[Kergan]

It is important to remember history, otherwise we are doomed to repeat it.