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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even homeopathy has a better success rate than prayer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd wager it's the same. A placebo is a placebo, unless the ailment was caused by dehydration, then homeopathy edges out prayer.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd wager it's the same. A placebo is a placebo, unless the ailment was caused by dehydration, then homeopathy edges out prayer.

Depends on what you call chiropractic care which is the only reliable treatment-therapy for debilitating scoliosis.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion is idiotic. Arguing religion is idioticer. It's the same as playing a game of checkers against a 4 year old who perpetually changes the rules of the game so they can win.

People are too emotionally invested in their dumb beliefs to even acknowledge they're being scammed. Kinda the same deal with homeopathy.

You can't be swayed, but I'll lay it out once anyway: There is no god. There is no afterlife. When you die, that's it. It's the same as it was before you were born; remember those days? This is all the time you get so live it up.

You know this how? The hypocrisy is strong in your post. At least not try to make yourself look like a tool when trying to persuade people on your own idiocy. Posts like this are the reason majority of people think Atheists are some of the most annoying people on the planet.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know this how? The hypocrisy is strong in your post. At least not try to make yourself look like a tool when trying to persuade people on your own idiocy. Posts like this are the reason majority of people think Atheists are some of the most annoying people on the planet.

Everyones the most annoying person on the planet.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyones the most annoying person on the planet.

youruinedmyday

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know this how? The hypocrisy is strong in your post. At least not try to make yourself look like a tool when trying to persuade people on your own idiocy. Posts like this are the reason majority of people think Atheists are some of the most annoying people on the planet.

You're angry. Anger is an emotion, emotions are caused by thoughts and nothing else. I said the belief was idiotic, you thought badly of it, so you feel badly and called me a name. You could have just as easily been indifferent or, in another mindset, found it amusing. But you went with anger because you thought what I said was a bad thing. I bring this up, because the idea of god and religion are just thoughts. There is no physical proof, no substance. It is all purely a product of the mind. People say they know it's true, because they feel it. Since emotions are just a product of thoughts and nothing else, it proves nothing. How many battered women stay with their husbands because they feel deep down inside that he's a good man who would never hurt her? It's idiotic to trust feelings over facts.

Here's a fact: There was a time when you weren't alive. Not being alive is as good as being dead. You had no mind then. When you die and your mind rots, or if you're cremated, you'll have no mind then. And with what will you be sentient? A soul? A soul is nothing more than a thought whose only proof of existence is an emotion. The facts are if there is no mind then there are no thoughts and this can be demonstrated in a lab.

I won't argue anymore, because it's idioticer and I shouldn't have been baited by this thread in the first place. Just know that I'm right and you're wrong, unless you can find proof positive of your position beyond human emotions that are purely the result if illogical thinking. (That is, assuming you are indeed trying to defend some idiotic belief.) We're all going to know the fact of the matter in due course, it's just too bad all of these religious nuts won't have a mind to appreciate the fact when it comes, cuz there's no thinking when you're dead.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I won't argue anymore, because it's idioticer and I shouldn't have been baited by this thread in the first place. Just know that I'm right and you're wrong, unless you can find proof positive of your position beyond human emotions that are purely the result if illogical thinking. (That is, assuming you are indeed trying to defend some idiotic belief.) We're all going to know the fact of the matter in due course, it's just too bad all of these religious nuts won't have a mind to appreciate the fact when it comes, cuz there's no thinking when you're dead.

Wow. That entire post was just . . Wow.

Which is more illogical, belief that the universe was created from a creator, or belief that the universe was birthed from the total void of nonexistence, in which case the very concept of "Why does something exist rather than not exist" remains entirely unacknowledged and ignored.

Your own opinion on the issue is full of illogical holes, as well: fundamental philosophical questions not addressed or glossed-over, nihilistic materialism. The only difference is that I appeal to something beyond my own puny human mind, which is constrained by the shackles of time and space and physical cognition, and you believe that your mind is capable of understanding the very nature of reality, something you subjectively experience and therefore are entirely unqualified to objectively analyze. Yet you think you're capable of doing just that, and that's where you fail.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i want to know the atheist stance on sun-worshipers. sounds entertaining.

The same stance that they would have on any other group that worships an inanimate object. The sun exists, there's no evidence that it's not a god, ergo it's not plausible to consider the sun a god.

Is your post supposed to be some kind of hook/catch or something? This type of question comes up all the time and is one of the easier ones.

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is more illogical, belief that the universe was created from a creator, or belief that the universe was birthed from the total void of nonexistence, in which case the very concept of "Why does something exist rather than not exist" remains entirely unacknowledged and ignored.

In most cases I'm now of a fan of the 'why' of things as opposed to the 'how'. In the case of the universe it's amazing enough that such a vast expanse of wonder and beauty exists in the first place. If that's not good enough for you and you need something deeper, that's a personal problem.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. That entire post was just . . Wow.

Which is more illogical, belief that the universe was created from a creator, or belief that the universe was birthed from the total void of nonexistence, in which case the very concept of "Why does something exist rather than not exist" remains entirely unacknowledged and ignored.

Your own opinion on the issue is full of illogical holes, as well: fundamental philosophical questions not addressed or glossed-over, nihilistic materialism. The only difference is that I appeal to something beyond my own puny human mind, which is constrained by the shackles of time and space and physical cognition, and you believe that your mind is capable of understanding the very nature of reality, something you subjectively experience and therefore are entirely unqualified to objectively analyze. Yet you think you're capable of doing just that, and that's where you fail.

It seems you're making the same mistake. You claim to comprehend more than me by appealing to more than your puny human mind can by assuming that there must be a creator. Only you do it without evidence. "Things exist, therefore there is a god" is a bad argument when you have no proof that in order for things to exist there has to be a god.

I am not discounting a "the universe came from somewhere" hypothesis, I am discounting the notion that it came from a single intelligent source, because there's no proof of that and the nature of our universe suggests it's not necessary anyway. Read up on self organizing systems and you can see how something can happen without the need for intelligent design.

You also forget another option: The universe has and will always be. The facts suggest that time as we experience it is just another dimension to the universe, just another axis on the graph, which means time is part of the whole of the universe, there is no beginning or end, it's just another direction of it. Why would something like that need a creator to exist?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow. That entire post was just . . Wow.

Which is more illogical, belief that the universe was created from a creator, or belief that the universe was birthed from the total void of nonexistence, in which case the very concept of "Why does something exist rather than not exist" remains entirely unacknowledged and ignored.

Your own opinion on the issue is full of illogical holes, as well: fundamental philosophical questions not addressed or glossed-over, nihilistic materialism. The only difference is that I appeal to something beyond my own puny human mind, which is constrained by the shackles of time and space and physical cognition, and you believe that your mind is capable of understanding the very nature of reality, something you subjectively experience and therefore are entirely unqualified to objectively analyze. Yet you think you're capable of doing just that, and that's where you fail.

This hits the nail right on the head, also note that he says people who believe in religion use illogical thinking while science itself has said technology will advance to levels to do God like things. Fact is, Atheism is absolutely flawed way of going about life unless you for some reason really think we are the only thing to ever exist. If that is the case, then there is no hope for said person, but even then, Atheism would still be flawed because if some kind of superior being didn't exist, we would create one.