So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also WTF is up with you using some random dude writing a book in 1931 to supersede the Declaration of Independence as the definition of the American Dream? That's just weird.

Not even going to touch your talking-points diatribe there. You've subscribed to the, "Big govurnmint sux" ideology and that's your problem. I disdain the immorality of excessive wealth more than I cling to some vague and naive concept of liberty or some political document drafted by slave-holders declaring that all men are equal. But I digress.

The "American Dream" isn't even referenced in the Declaration of Independence. It is the basis for it, sure, but the concept of the American Dream came after, and has changed radically as society changes. For instance, home-ownership became a vital aspect of the "American Dream" for many Americans after WW2 and the GI Bill. Graduating from college is a big part of the "American Dream" for many Americans. These are all new goals of importance and status to American society, developing roughly since the 1950's. The Founder's ideas of what success meant is radically different from our's. In fact, their ideas of what was ethical and moral in the face of unfettered economic pursuit is radically different from where Americans' values are today.

Stop the civic worship already. It's gross. I don't need Thomas Jefferson to tell me what's right or wrong. I don't get my morals from a political document.

[Samoht]

wait. wait. wait.

wait.

aren't you the one who brought "the american dream" into this?

wtf kind of circular logic shit are you trying to pull.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even going to touch your talking-points diatribe there. You've subscribed to the, "Big govurnmint sux" ideology and that's your problem. I disdain the immorality of excessive wealth more than I cling to some vague and naive concept of liberty or some political document drafted by slave-holders declaring that all men are equal. But I digress.

wow this paragraph is mind blowing in its departure from logic

[Malice_Mizer]

You're seriously dense, Samoht.

"because everybody is granted the same opportunities at birth" - You

That statement brought the American Dream into it. I only called it by its name-- you described its characteristics.

Nothing even remotely circular about that last post. I simply gave you some historical context.

Maybe if I used more pictures it would help.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow this paragraph is mind blowing in its departure from logic

There wasn't even anything "logical" for you to infer, dude. It was a statement of belief. I wasn't trying to prove anything, and I wasn't trying to be logically persuasive in my argumentation.

Do you know what logic is?

[Samoht]

i didn't mention any abstract bullshit idea like the american dream. maybe i was talking about manifest destiny.

so you bring it back to your idea that just because we're not all mitt romney we're eating out of trash cans.

at least we're not all trying to steal jewelry in white neighbourhoods in florida.

that would probably get more of us killed by overzealous, fatass mexicans with jewish names when we try to steal from his block.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Malice_Moron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There wasn't even anything "logical" for you to infer, dude. It was a statement of belief.?

malice_moron admits there's no logic in his belief.

nice.

nothing more to see here.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow this paragraph is mind blowing in its departure from logic

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There wasn't even anything "logical" for you to infer, dude. It was a statement of belief. I wasn't trying to prove anything, and I wasn't trying to be logically persuasive in my argumentation.

correct

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i didn't mention any abstract bullshit idea like the american dream. maybe i was talking about manifest destiny.

so you bring it back to your idea that just because we're not all mitt romney we're eating out of trash cans.

at least we're not all trying to steal jewelry in white neighbourhoods in florida.

that would probably get more of us killed by overzealous, fatass mexicans with jewish names when we try to steal from his block.

... Ok.

First of all, Manifest Destiny was the political/religious ideology of the 19th century that justified the continued territorial expansion of the United States toward the Pacific coast, Texas, and American imperialism abroad. The philosophy stated that America is exceptional and that it had a duty to make the world over in its image. Not sure what that has to do with this conversation.

And I'm not even going to touch your multi-pronged problematic racist statement. "White neighborhoods?" Mexicans with Jewish names? Do I also need to give you a history lesson about Judaism and the Jewish diaspora? Do you know why so many American Jews have German surnames? It is a German name, afterall. A true-to-form "Jewish name" would be of Hebrew origin.

I probably shouldn't get you started on some antisemitic tirade, though.

[Samoht]

don't try to confuse him