Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Precisely. When you only play with Clerics, you don't know how other support classes work.

[Ripqozko]

Easy 500, DSM should join PL, he has the same personality as deso

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trust me, you’d run oom quickly trying to bane/pox/canni to keep up with dps. You’d also have no mana for slows, diminishing your utility.

So you’d likely just be clicking jbb.

Again, we’re still waiting for you provide group evidence to dispute otherwise. We don’t care what you did solo. And we don’t care if you think solo dps equals group dps. If you continue to disregard our requests, then there’s no reason for you to be in this thread anymore.

Asking me for evidence of a claim you are making is silly. You need to show proof that DPS differs between solo and group situations. That is not my claim, it is yours.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking me for evidence of a claim you are making is silly. You need to show proof that DPS differs between solo and group situations. That is not my claim, it is yours.

I don’t need to prove anything. You came into a group discussion claiming solo shaman dps is equivalent. This is an inherently false claim, as you would have to know what shaman group dps is to know that solo dps is different.

So the ball remains in your court. I’m willing to offer my enchanter to support your claims.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking me for evidence of a claim you are making is silly. You need to show proof that DPS differs between solo and group situations. That is not my claim, it is yours.

Does this even need to be pointed out why this is illogical reasoning? Considering we've covered this before in many pages prior?

This is a counter argument meant to exhaust the opponent.

Edit: A person could show video evidence to prove DSM wrong, but it's just not worth it. DSM is an unscrupulous sociopath who will secretly think "Wow! You're actually stupid enough to go this distance".

Trust me. That is exactly the kind of person he is.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided better evidence than he did, video evidence with logs. He posted a screenshot that he admits was incorrect.

The evidence you provided was not relevant evidence because the environment the captured/collected data came from was not relevant to the discussion. This is why your evidence was, and has been, and remains, irrelevant. This was already explained to you multiple times by multiple posters months ago.

To address the below post:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is up to Troxx to prove his theory that solo DPS cannot translate to group DPS, for example. He is making that claim, not me.

If you understood how the game works, you would know this is nonsense. Grouping doesn't change a mob's stats. If you can do 50 DPS to it solo, you can do 50 DPS to it grouped.

I simply present the following irrefutable evidence - which cannot be refuted:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t need to prove anything. You came into a group discussion claiming solo is equivalent. This is an inherently false claim, as you would have to know what group dps to know that solo dps is different.

So the ball remains in your court. I’m willing to offer my enchanter to support your claims.

It is a fact that mob stats do not change in a group vs. solo scenario, so you have no basis for the claim that DPS will change.

I don't mind grouping up if people want to actually get some numbers in! That is probably the only way you would believe me.

If I provided evidence that a Shaman out-DPSed a Mage in a group, people would say the Mage isn't playing correctly. The inherit problem with trying to measure group DPS is you have to assume everybody is playing correctly in both groups being compared. Any class can out DPS another class in a group under the right conditions.

You really need the same players to play in both groups to try and alleviate those concerns, doing the exact same content.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a fact that mob stats do not change in a group vs. solo scenario, so you have no basis for the claim that DPS will change.

Guys...

Do you actually think he believes this?

Seriously! You think someone who has played the game for years on end can't see why this makes no sense?!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys...

Do you actually think he believes this?

Seriously! You think someone who has played the game for years on end can't see why this makes no sense?!

It makes complete sense. If you can do 50 DPS solo, you can do 50 DPS grouped if the mob's stats do not change. It's quite a simple concept.

[Gloomlord]

Gaslighting isn't your strong suit, DSM.

Stick to playing Shaman, and leave this thread.