Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah just buy a 100k earring at level 60 to replace the spell the Cleric buys for 4 copper at level 1. Then leave your dungeon camp and recharge it after every use! It's totally the same thing!

Explain the scenarios in which a level 30 Cleric is using DA to just catapult this group to 60 way faster than a Shaman.

Explain the camps that would drastically benefit from casted DA over a Shaman with Earring. You can also swap an Enchanter for a Necro. They have DA too.

Also remember that a 3x Enchanter group would need to spend around 100k total for 3x copies of their spells. If they can get 100k once, they can do it again.

[Troxx]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

OP picked Shaman/Enchanter/Necro/Necro.

Troxx has spent two years attacking autistic people, thinking this somehow supports his opinion about Mages and Clerics. That's the best he can do.

Seems pretty clear what the result of this thread is.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP picked Shaman/Enchanter/Necro/Necro.

Troxx has spent two years attacking autistic people, thinking this somehow supports his opinion about Mages and Clerics. That's the best he can do.

Seems pretty clear what the result of this thread is.

You've been posting in this thread for 2 years and have yet to convince anyone SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been posting in this thread for 2 years and have yet to convince anyone SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

lol

Still denying what OP's party picked, it was Enchanter/Shaman. Seems like you are the one who can't convince people of your argument.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still denying what OP's party picked, it was Enchanter/Shaman. Seems like you are the one who can't convince people of your argument.

Class preference over optimization. EQ Happens.

They didn't say SHM / ENC was better than CLR / ENC

The opposite actually

lol

2 years of your life down the drain yelling at the clouds

[Vexenu]

DSM, do you truly believe that a Shaman is the best overall duo with an Enchanter? Or just the best level 60 endgame duo? Or just the best duo for killing certain mobs?

If you affirm Enchanter/Shaman as the overall best, do you concede any circumstances in which you would admit Enchanter/Druid or Enchanter/Cleric to be superior? For example, say you wanted the fastest leveling duo. Or if you wanted a duo that specialized in dungeon crawling. Or if you wanted a duo that was viable with the least amount of gear. Or if you wanted a duo that was the most self-sufficient.

Do you leave room for the superiority of Enchanter/Cleric or Enchanter/Druid duos for any of the above scenarios? Or do you ferociously hold fast to the notion that Enchanter/Shaman is completely superior across the board?

I reach out to you in good faith with this question, and urge you to set aside your well-known bias toward swamp magic as you consider your answer.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, do you truly believe that a Shaman is the best overall duo with an Enchanter? Or just the best level 60 endgame duo? Or just the best duo for killing certain mobs?

If you affirm Enchanter/Shaman as the overall best, do you concede any circumstances in which you would admit Enchanter/Druid or Enchanter/Cleric to be superior? For example, say you wanted the fastest leveling duo. Or if you wanted a duo that specialized in dungeon crawling. Or if you wanted a duo that was viable with the least amount of gear. Or if you wanted a duo that was the most self-sufficient.

Do you leave room for the superiority of Enchanter/Cleric or Enchanter/Druid duos for any of the above scenarios? Or do you ferociously hold fast to the notion that Enchanter/Shaman is completely superior across the board?

I reach out to you in good faith with this question, and urge you to set aside your well-known bias toward swamp magic as you consider your answer.

Unfortunately you are assuming I have an extreme bias towards Shamans, and then coloring how you view my posts from that perspective. This has never been true, it is just a straw man.

Please show me the quote where I say "Shamans are the best at everything no matter what". You won't find it.

We have been talking about overall best 4 player caster/priest group the entire time. Did you think otherwise? Just to make sure you don't twist my words, my default assesment of "overall" is mostly endgame focused, instead of leveling focused. This is because the point of leveling is to get to 60, and a four player caster group is already leveling fast. If you want to put a large emphasis on leveling, there are probably all sorts of caster groups who could level faster in certain level ranges. A four player Mage group is probably leveling faster than a four player Enchanter group from levels 1-12, because Enchanters don't get charm until 12. But I doubt anyone cares about optimizing levels 1-12, they are easy already. That is why "overall" is mostly an assessment of how the group works in the endgame.

Of course there are scenarios where other classes are better. Druids are better at killing Ice Burrowers compared to Shamans, as a simple exmaple. I don't see anyone clamoring over Ice Burrowers as a camp people really want to do, so I don't really include Ice Burrower kill efficiency into this discussion. If there was an alternate universe where Ice Burrower killing was the only thing that mattered on P99, 4x Druids would be my choice in that alternate universe.

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP picked NECRO dummy

I didn't say otherwise. I said OP's group picked Shaman. You do realize OP asked about four classes, not one? The logic is that OP asked for advise about four classes, so they could pass this information on to the other three players.

OP can correct me if they didn't actually tell the group anything, but are you suggesting you believe that OP asked about four classes just so they could pick their own class without talking to the group?

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say otherwise. I said OP's group picked Shaman. You do realize OP asked about four classes, not one? The logic is that OP asked for advise about four classes, so they could pass this information on to the other three players.

OP can correct me if they didn't actually tell the group anything, but are you suggesting you believe that OP asked about four classes just so they could pick their own class without talking to the group?

You're claiming the OP's friend picked shaman because SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

Prove it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're claiming the OP's friend picked shaman because SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

Prove it

I didn't claim it. I stated the fact that a Shaman was picked, and that OP probably provided the informatiom they got from this thread. You can logically see what might have hapoened from there.

As I said, OP is free to correct this if it is wrong. The only one with the claim is yourself. You are claiming they just picked the class they liked. You need to prove it.