Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[bcbrown]

I just did in the post just above that you refuse to address. If I was playing a shaman, that enchanter would have died.

Surely you're not going to ask me to prove that a groupmate dieing will result in fewer kills/hour?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just did in the post just above that you refuse to address. If I was playing a shaman, that enchanter would have died.

Surely you're not going to ask me to prove that a groupmate dieing will result in fewer kills/hour?

You are assuming the Enchanter would have died. Shamans could Slow, root, or heal in that situation to keep the Enchanter alive. Malo may have prevented the situation too.

[bcbrown]

It's ok to admit that there are some scenarios where a cleric can keep an enchanter alive where a shaman wouldn't have been able to do so.

The enchanter was at 60% in the blink of an eye. It would have taken a second or two just to figure out who was aggroed on him - no time for stuns or roots. If I was chain-casting greater healing like a shaman he would have died.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's ok to admit that there are some scenarios where a cleric can keep an enchanter alive where a shaman wouldn't have been able to do so.

The enchanter was at 60% in the blink of an eye. It would have taken a second or two just to figure out who was aggroed on him - no time for stuns or roots. If I was chain-casting greater healing like a shaman he would have died.

It's ok to admit a Shaman could have saved the situation too. Heals are not your only tool for charm breaks, and Malo could have prevented it.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can Torpor tank and cast other spells:

It's easy to say this, but Mr. Murphy always tends to visit at the worst possible moment, like when you're already getting low on health, your Torpor just got interrupted and you miscast something else without noticing. That's when charm breaks. This game is simple but not easy, and when shit goes south it happens very quickly. Pretending that you have the same ability to quickly and effectively react to a charm break on a tanking Shaman versus a medding Cleric is completely asinine, but par for the course for you.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heals are not your only tool for charm breaks. Malo could have prevented it.

This is literally akin to saying, "You don't need a seat beat in a crash, because safe driving could have prevented it." The problem is that the frequency of charm breaks is less important than your ability to quickly react to them. Because they are inevitable and will happen numerous times per play session even while using Malo. And a Cleric does a MUCH better job at assisting an Enchanter with a charm break than a Shaman.

[bcbrown]

Charm will always break, but it's not just charm breaks. Sometimes there's a bad pull. Sometimes there's bad timing on repops in camp. Sometimes there's a train.

There's situations where rapid-fire blast healing is necessary, and a cleric is better in those situations. I gave you an actual real-world example where a shaman's healing would be insufficient.

[Duik]

Shaman/Enchanter/Monk work well because a monk doesnt have the hitpoints of a well chosen charm pet so ya pathetic (in compariison to cleric) heals will do.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman/Enchanter/Monk work well because a monk doesnt have the hitpoints of a well chosen charm pet so ya pathetic (in compariison to cleric) heals will do.

Last time I checked there is an enchanter in the group. They do indeed have a fully kitted out charmed pet in this combo, and the Shaman keeps the party alive just fine.

The normal Fungi King setup is an Enchanter with a hasted/torched froggie pet, a Torpor Shaman, and a Monk puller. The Torpor Shaman slows, tanks, heals, and malos, and the Pet/Monk hit the mob from behind.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretending that you have the same ability to quickly and effectively react to a charm break on a tanking Shaman

I've done it before. Remember that you didn't understand the Shaman is tanking instead of the enchanter pet just a few posts ago. You thought the Shaman was Torporing a tanking pet. It is not suprising you wouldn't know this either.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've done it before. Remember that you didn't understand the Shaman is tanking instead of the enchanter pet just a few posts ago. You thought the Shaman was Torporing a tanking pet. It is not suprising you wouldn't know this either.

I understand that perfectly well. I also understand there are plenty of times when you WON'T be Torpor tanking, like the entirety of levels 1-59, for example.

The Cleric, meanwhile, is completely mogging you with his 20pp CH spell from level 39.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The normal Fungi King setup is an Enchanter with a hasted/torched froggie pet, a Torpor Shaman, and a Monk puller. The Torpor Shaman slows, tanks, heals, and malos, and the Pet/Monk hit the mob from behind.

The fact that every fucking example you toss out is either Fungi King or WW dragons will never not be hilarious.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand that perfectly well. I also understand there are plenty of times when you WON'T be Torpor tanking, like the entirety of levels 1-59, for example.

The Cleric, meanwhile, is completely mogging you with his 20pp CH spell from level 39.


The fact that every fucking example you toss out is either Fungi King or WW dragons will never not be hilarious.

I provide examples, and you don't. Glad I could teach you a few things about Shamans today!