And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is always hope of a productive outcome. It may not happen but it occasionally does.

Evidence is always required. If you believe something for no other reason than "to believe" your claim holds no merit.

Many in RnF believe TMO is an evil organization of RMT'ers and KS'ers without merit. They believe it to be true so they act on this. This is why belief is the true villian of RnF.
Belief without evidence is real immaturity. Only a child believes what they can substantiate. If a mother told her little child that the english word for a banana was "Apple" the child would believe it. An adult would back that up with evidence.

I used the examples I did, (macaroni art, et al.) because they were absurd, not because I'm trying to be hostile or unproductive. I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's no dark side there. My point was this: I stated a belief and explained why I held that belief. I knew the evidentiary inquisition was going to pop its head, so I cut it off by asking what I could provide to further substantiate my argument. Absurd examples were simply to illustrate that.

My point was, and still is, that hostile attitudes in RnF resolve nothing and add to the server's problems and that their natural occurrence is not license to fan the flames. If you truly needed evidence that individual actions can color how other people see our guild then you need look no further than several pages back. (I believe hatelore was one of several posted who expressed a lesser respect for TMO but for several individual posters).

And finally, in our society and in formal debate we accept that some issues are within the sphere of common knowledge/sense. I suspect that my point (actions of the individual can harm the whole) falls easily within the common domain. If you needed me to spell it out further, I'm not really sure how to do it.

Though I do have some extra macaroni lying around.

[hatelore]

Lets get a magnifying glass and look at what you really posted here Alarti, judging from your responses and posts on the rnf forum.

/magnifying glass

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF is a vent for that fire. If you notice I have created 1 RnF thread ever and it wasnt against a guild or organization. If people weren't using RnF for this reason I wouldn't even be posting here. I only respond to false claims or outright lies.

Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: I post here to protect my guild name , even if what I say is wrong,incriminates me or my guild, or is an outright lie.


RnF exists because Competitive Raiding exists. I have no problem with people venting in RnF, its healthy, but if they lie or don't cover the whole story I will respond.
I would like you to support your final claims with evidence other than opinion.

Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: I say this in every single thread, usually for no other reason then to thwart an attack away from me. Even when evidence is presented, I will just bullshit and crawfish my way out of it.

The way I see it if you let a lie stand people will tend to believe those lies the more they are repeated. Likely, some will believe it anyways but there are a few that are capable of objectivity.
Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: This is where i am really full of shit at, usually most of all in every single thread. What I really mean to say is, if I bend a lie enough and work and twist that fucking lie until it is like a pretzel, maybe enough sheep will believe it. Which makes me profoundly happy inside.

Many people also want to believe information without evidence because it supports their ideology or belief structure. See the tea party, religion, politics, etc etc etc.
Judging from the magnifying glass, this means: I like to say this, just to show my joy that my beloved dear leader will continue to destroy my country, and I will turn a blind eye, Maybe because I am dumb, or maybe because I was raised wrong , who knows?
[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Naww just kidding, that just sounded fun in my head, He probably seriously believes, somehow , that barack is doing a good job.[/COLOR]


These people will never be affected by RnF as their opinions are already formed.
For those with fresh opinions (do any exist on this server still) would be wise to use their own evidence as proof instead of RnF sniping.
I could honestly care less if someone who is incapable of formulating their own opinions hates me because I am "mean". I don't curse at people or demean races, or classes of people. Just liars, shady tactics, and cheaters.
The only thing negative about RnF is dishonesty, deception, and belief.

So In a nutshell, what we have here is nothing more then a heaping pile of steaming dog shit, all wrapped up in a Alarti bun..

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used the examples I did, (macaroni art, et al.) because they were absurd, not because I'm trying to be hostile or unproductive. I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's no dark side there. My point was this: I stated a belief and explained why I held that belief. I knew the evidentiary inquisition was going to pop its head, so I cut it off by asking what I could provide to further substantiate my argument. Absurd examples were simply to illustrate that.

My point was, and still is, that hostile attitudes in RnF resolve nothing and add to the server's problems and that their natural occurrence is not license to fan the flames. If you truly needed evidence that individual actions can color how other people see our guild then you need look no further than several pages back. (I believe hatelore was one of several posted who expressed a lesser respect for TMO but for several individual posters).

And finally, in our society and in formal debate we accept that some issues are within the sphere of common knowledge/sense. I suspect that my point (actions of the individual can harm the whole) falls easily within the common domain. If you needed me to spell it out further, I'm not really sure how to do it.

Though I do have some extra macaroni lying around.

I used absurd examples also, and often, how does this differ? Because you did it?

If you are using hatelores as an example you are proving my point, The guy is an object of faith he believes Obama is actively trying to destory this country. Hatelores sent me hate pm's and within a week was telling me how I was intelligent and he doesnt take RnF seriously, and then within 1 more week he was flipping out again. Please add someone who is rational and stable to your theory. Also, in his quest to discredit me he could be adding in that statement to harm me in some way. Its expected response theory in reverse.

Actions of an individual can harm the whole obviously. However, your point was not this. your point was that RnF warriors will harm TMO. That requires evidence to prove. Actions harming a whole is not a blanket statement.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets get a magnifying glass and look at what you really posted here Alarti, judging from your responses and posts on the rnf forum.

/magnifying glass



So In a nutshell, what we have here is nothing more then a heaping pile of steaming dog shit, all wrapped up in a Alarti bun..

Case in point~

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again only in response, and very rarely.

This is more bs, You are usually the most vocal in OOC when a raid target is up and anyone but your guild is in the zone haha. So ummm, yeahhhh...

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is more bs, You are usually the most vocal in OOC when a raid target is up and anyone but your guild is in the zone haha. So ummm, yeahhhh...

Prove it? Also,


PM

Originally Posted by hatelore

Your a peice of shit fuckin spin doctor. Dude your just as shitty in game as on this forum. We were sitting at camp for like 5 min, with zero mobs, your dumbass trainer pulls through our camp. after the mobs didnt attack us, the motherfucker pulled back through the camp again then died and we got the train, we have evidence of this. Your guilds tactics and shitbags like you are why this server raid scene suck. I truely hope they ban and disband tmo for all the bullshit you cause this server. You think our fuckin pullers are stupid enough to pull directly through or fuckin camp twice? Fuck you dude and get bent.

Response

Originally Posted by Alarti0001

Well you seem.... mad.... This is understandable because you have bad information. I have seen mgellans fraps and there is nothing but Xerxes training your own guild by running thru the fire wall. He even admitted to me in tell he was just doing what he was told and he thought by using a gather shadows ring he wouldnt aggro temple.

You wipe was cause by your guilds lack of understanding about this game and poor leadership. Put your anger where it is deserved.... at yourselves and get better. You can blame me and TMO for all your misfortunes all you want.... but it will never make you better. Just a lame fucker looking for a scapegoat.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used the examples I did, (macaroni art, et al.) because they were absurd, not because I'm trying to be hostile or unproductive. I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's no dark side there. My point was this: I stated a belief and explained why I held that belief. I knew the evidentiary inquisition was going to pop its head, so I cut it off by asking what I could provide to further substantiate my argument. Absurd examples were simply to illustrate that.

My point was, and still is, that hostile attitudes in RnF resolve nothing and add to the server's problems and that their natural occurrence is not license to fan the flames. If you truly needed evidence that individual actions can color how other people see our guild then you need look no further than several pages back. (I believe hatelore was one of several posted who expressed a lesser respect for TMO but for several individual posters).

And finally, in our society and in formal debate we accept that some issues are within the sphere of common knowledge/sense. I suspect that my point (actions of the individual can harm the whole) falls easily within the common domain. If you needed me to spell it out further, I'm not really sure how to do it.

Though I do have some extra macaroni lying around.

Don't deny it, embrace the darkside!

[Eccezan]

this thread got really fucking boring.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this thread got really fucking boring.

Post your Hitler video that one is always good for a laugh

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used absurd examples also, and often, how does this differ? Because you did it?

I never claimed that absurd example have no place. That, would be putting words in my mouth. We both use adjectives, nouns, and the word "the" a lot. Are we going to start parsing those too?

Please add someone who is rational and stable to your theory.

I have no need to do so. I am confident that my points stand clearly and soundly just as they are. I stand by my assertions that many RnF participants are harmful to both their own guild's reputation and to the server's health. I submit that all proper and necessary burdens of evidence and persuasion have been met to properly make my point.

And finally, I submit that the following statement is self evident and particularly relevant to this thread.

The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.