Best solo melee class?

[Snaggles]

If you have a bunch of arrows summoned you can always root and step back like 20 feet, even indoors. It’s index finger Hell but with a decent kit it’s an option at least.

Similar specs before vs blue con Geonid, 60 ranger
1338 self buffed attack in greater wolf overlapped Avatar at 74% health (prior tests were without Avatar, roughly 1450 attack after). 91% haste. Tolan arrows (3dmg), Primal Bow, rooted target so no double damage hits

8083 Total damage….235seconds…34dps…78 hits…max hit 173…average 103
Roughly 4 mins plus 2 mins to summon arrows (x4 clicks)

With a fungi I’d use a Herbalist Spade to open and start plinking once root procs, (unless you have to cast it). They would not be quick fights.

Note: Still painful solo work. Pretty quick to put down highkeep nobles and bards though even if you dont have great gear. Snag a Tolan for sure [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note: Still painful solo work. Pretty quick to put down highkeep nobles and bards though even if you dont have great gear. Snag a Tolan for sure [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple months ago I tried my hand solo against some geos (at level 56). I could kill them, but it was painfully not worth it. I'd root'n'shoot till like 60%, then Swarmcaller into dual wield. Tolan's Bracer is a huge QoL upgrade, definitely a must-have, unlike the gloves.

Oh, on your recommendation I got a BFG this summer too, definitely a really fun toy although I haven't yet figured out when it's appropriate to use. So far I've mostly broken it out for epic fights with disc, and it doesn't eat as many arrows as I feared. That and using the clicky whenever a friend is trying to hammer off me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple months ago I tried my hand solo against some geos (at level 56). I could kill them, but it was painfully not worth it. I'd root'n'shoot till like 60%, then Swarmcaller into dual wield. Tolan's Bracer is a huge QoL upgrade, definitely a must-have, unlike the gloves.

Oh, on your recommendation I got a BFG this summer too, definitely a really fun toy although I haven't yet figured out when it's appropriate to use. So far I've mostly broken it out for epic fights with disc, and it doesn't eat as many arrows as I feared. That and using the clicky whenever a friend is trying to hammer off me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always found geos a pain in the ass and not sure why people like them. And I guess the answer is gems, but they're not fun to solo imo.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple months ago I tried my hand solo against some geos (at level 56). I could kill them, but it was painfully not worth it. I'd root'n'shoot till like 60%, then Swarmcaller into dual wield. Tolan's Bracer is a huge QoL upgrade, definitely a must-have, unlike the gloves.

Oh, on your recommendation I got a BFG this summer too, definitely a really fun toy although I haven't yet figured out when it's appropriate to use. So far I've mostly broken it out for epic fights with disc, and it doesn't eat as many arrows as I feared. That and using the clicky whenever a friend is trying to hammer off me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell ya! Nice pickup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depending on you MH weapon it isn’t horrible just to feed with Tolan arrows for non-rooted targets. I did that with Avatar once on Vindi and got killed from pulling aggro at 75dps lol.

Really it’s just fun to have about 5 stacks of 8dmg fletched arrows on you. Some situations bump is a game changer, sometimes you just need to roleplay as a rogue for 2 minutes. Confusing people on the parse is worth the arrow crafting annoyance.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell ya! Nice pickup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depending on you MH weapon it isn’t horrible just to feed with Tolan arrows for non-rooted targets. I did that with Avatar once on Vindi and got killed from pulling aggro at 75dps lol.

Really it’s just fun to have about 5 stacks of 8dmg fletched arrows on you. Some situations bump is a game changer, sometimes you just need to roleplay as a rogue for 2 minutes. Confusing people on the parse is worth the arrow crafting annoyance.

Wait, I was equipping BFG mainhand and Swiftwind offhand, given my weapon choices isn't that the optimal way to use it? And the first time I used it I had no idea how many arrows it would eat, so I think I summoned like 20-30 stacks. Now knowing how many it eats I can see using it more regularly on raids or groups when there's enough downtime between pulls for summoning.

I used it against Brother Z earlier and almost died from pulling aggro. Don't think I had Jolt up so I just turned off autoattack, and waited for some heals and the warrior getting aggro back. I beat the rogue on the parse too, but that's because he pulled aggro too and took a dirt nap. I guess I can take the fact that we both pulled aggro but he died and I didn't as vindication for gearing for AC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tolans gloves are cheap. You should try them out instead of simply ignoring them. Again it is easy to show their utility with evidence, if you are willing to learn something.

Lol, no. Maybe if you played a ranger you'd understand why they're worthless.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, no. Maybe if you played a ranger you'd understand why they're worthless.

I'd love to hear why you think they are worthless. You can land them at max cast range before the mob reaches you, they cost zero mana, generate agro when needed, and you'll get more mana back if you are doing the trick where you med a tick after a snare cast. Plus you save a spell slot on snare.

Plenty of obvious benefits. You don't need to play a Ranger to understand basic P99 mechanics that are cross-class.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, no. Maybe if you played a ranger you'd understand why they're worthless.

I think pretty much everyone who has played a ranger has tried them on account of KC being a bit of a ranger's paradise and the gloves dropping like candy at LC. Maybe we are unfairly harsh on them as they aren't particularly good in KC, which paints a bad general first experience of them?

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Case in point of the relative difference between classes: Shamwowi linked an ice burrower video. Now replace the shadowknight with a ranger. Ranger doesn't have a pet to care about, so if he's solo'ing he doesn't care at all about aggro. He lands 1 ensnare, that lasts a long flippin time so he only has to re-apply it a relative handful of times through a fight. Otherwise it's move-shoot-move-shoot. His mana bar's fine, gloves or no gloves. Totally different tactics, and the snare gloves which are handy for the shadowknight in that situation, collect dust in the ranger's bag.

Kiting for someone else? Ranger would probably rather flame lick--shoot. Still a lot of aggro, and more damage too. Least I would in his place. Mana bar will gradually go down but it'll outlast the burrower.

More likely to use the things in a chain-pulling exp group with no mana regen where the ranger happens to be the tank. Flame lick takes awhile to run you out, but it eventually will, and some exp groups will complain even at one stoppage per hour. Even then it's not THAT likely, kind of a contrived scenario that most ranger players will probably never experience, so I don't really disagree with the folks dismissing the snare click as fluff. It's there, use it if you need it, but you probably won't need it on that class and bag space isn't endless. Frankly I don't use the things all that often on my shadowknight.

I think my iceburrower solo on my ranger was one of the times that I actually did appreciate tolan's gloves (can't remember if I actually used them, but definitely remember thinking of them). ICs are very resistant to magic and ensnare is expensive - loads of snares were useful. Cecily kindly calculated how much time I spent summoning arrows (and I had to take breaks midfight to replenish supplies as I used so many - I got to burn trueshot twice).

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wear https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Relkententinar because it’s ranger only not because of stats.

Me too, I love your style Big Natty!

[Cecily]

I'm not really sure what utility there is to averaging item slots with mana. My ranger was an alt character I decided to stop supporting years ago. My next upgrades would have been Gauntlets of Dragon Slaying and Belt of Dwarf Slaying, which would have provided 439 mana from 2 slots. What items you get makes a difference. Yeah it's raid stuff.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not really sure what utility there is to averaging item slots with mana. My ranger was an alt character I decided to stop supporting years ago. My next upgrades would have been Gauntlets of Dragon Slaying and Belt of Dwarf Slaying, which would have provided over 500 mana from 2 slots. What items you get makes a difference. Yeah it's raid stuff.

And I've said many times that BiS raid gear gives you mana. Nobody is arguing otherewise.

The majority of melee gear in P99 is not BiS raid gear, so most Rangers (including yourself and Snaggles) are making trade-offs between mana, melee stats, and resists until they get full BiS gear. That has always been my point.

Many people have Ranger alts instead of mains, so they aren't going to go full BiS anyway.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Ranelagh

Bcbrown's Ranger has 7/20 items with mana/wis.

I don't think anyone is denying you could wear more mana gear if you wanted to, but so far the pattern is less mana items and more melee stat/resist items.

[Cecily]

Not all gear is BIS, nor is most gear. Got it! Thanks

Anyways. Mana is good to have.