Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Alarti0001]

Brotos still doesn't understand game mechanics. /facepalm

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the dragons were coming for Sussy there would be new FTE messages after he died. The breakdown of the video was posted in two different forms a few pages back. It shows you how to view the fraps with time stamps, what to look for, and why it makes sense.

[Rais]

Working mechanics, changed mechanics, bugged mechanics and mechanics that should be in the game are different things. Fuck if I know what has changed or not the past 5 months. I know sit agro was added, that's about it. I am more than willing to admit I have no clue what is in the game now or how things go.

Me knowing or not knowing mechanics of what is in game now doesn't change the fact mobs were trained through a pull. That is the issue and nothing else. You train, it's 100% on you. It doesn't matter what zone. It has been this way for years. Saying it's unfair or being blind sided by this rule is pretty dishonest.

You can't sit there and stomp your feet saying it's unfair, when the rule was put in place that was ruled in TMO's favor and IB was suspended for it.

I was just trying to find the proof that IB trained themselves that everyone kept talking about. Not untill I said something, and Hitpoint admitted to it, that the reason why IB gained agro was because of TMO's pull/train and that "shit happens". Shit does happen, but you are still responsible.

So much for staff being corrupt and ruling the same way as they have before about a raids pull/train. I will agree about the difference in punishment not being the same for the same offenses between both guilds in vp. That you have a leg to stand on.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me knowing or not knowing mechanics of what is in game now doesn't change the fact mobs were trained through a pull. That is the issue and nothing else. You train, it's 100% on you. It doesn't matter what zone. It has been this way for years. Saying it's unfair or being blind sided by this rule is pretty dishonest.

You misunderstand. We were blindsided because it was never brought to us before we were suspended.

And why does this train rule not applied in plane of fear? Or VP until yesterday. In PoF, when another guild engages CT you drop your kite by dying or capping out. It's been this way for years. You know this, so why are you saying something different?

[Rais]

You're going to argue a point where I was allowed to make a rule of no training (only to be rescinded by a new gm) in Fear and use that against anything I said?

Unless this is new, whoever had the train had 100% responsibility of it. I don't recall any situations or petitions otherwise stating what you are saying when I was on staff. Only ones I do recall are the petitions of people who were training, losing control of said train and that guild was punished. Happened very rarely and I think maybe twice it ever happened.

[Lopretni]

Well I guess it's better they did it an hour before spawns rather than doing it midfight and telling you to piss off. I'm still catching up so I might be wrong on that.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're going to argue a point where I was allowed to make a rule of no training (only to be rescinded by a new gm) in Fear and use that against anything I said?

Unless this is new, whoever had the train had 100% responsibility of it. I don't recall any situations or petitions otherwise stating what you are saying when I was on staff. Only ones I do recall are the petitions of people who were training, losing control of said train and that guild was punished. Happened very rarely and I think maybe twice it ever happened.

I have no idea about some past ruling by you. I honestly don't know what you're talking about in your first sentence. I'm referring to a practice that occurs in Fear every single time CT spawns. When guild A's bard picks up a fear train, the guilds B's bard has to find, and bracer him. So that when guild B engages CT before guild A, guild B can have control over guild A's train. If guild B does not steal guild A's train. Then guild A will WC cap and drop the train, causing guild B to wipe. This is how CT engage has worked for like 3 years at least and is well within the accepted rules. How do you now know about this?

[Hitpoint]

not know about this?*

[Chanto]

the pullers have some responsibility too, and that is that when you pull your mob through a kite or train, you have to take special care to not transfer that agro to your guild...

If you pull a mob through a kite and then just go to your camp and ask for buffs, whoever buffs you or whoever buffs the person who buffed you is added to the hate list,if they cast a spell like heal or rune, they can pull the kite right off the kiter without the kiter even dieing or anything, dont see how that can be anyones fault but the pullers.

If your running for draco and im running for draco and we both had mobs and i got draco first, you would be expected to kite your agro, but if i bring draco to camp and and get heals how are you reasonably supposed to 100% control your kite when our heals pull it off you? it really is not as black and white as you agro it first its 100% your responsibility no matter what as some make it seem.

In this situation xygoz is pulled through hosh just as much as hosh is pulled through xygoz. when they were initially agrod they are no where near each other and could only bring hosh one way, and could only bring xygoz one way, everyone is aware their paths would cross and hoshkar was pulled far enough that xygoz had time to pass him and make it to zone in a minute before hoshkar did

[pufen]

Professor Hitpoint will be teaching a class on game mechanics this Thursday at 6pm est