Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[jaybone]

so what happens when 5 more raiding guilds come along? Were going on a 3 year delay for an expansion that was out 8 months after Kunark. This server needs wiped and started over.

[Chrimes]

None of this is classic. Guild rivalry was one of the funnest mechanics about classic. Let all guilds compete freely, and force competition to step up on they're own to compete. Simple concept - the only thing that is broken is people wanting hand-outs.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Chrimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of this is classic. Guild rivalry was one of the funnest mechanics about classic. Let all guilds compete freely, and force competition to step up on they're own to compete. Simple concept - the only thing that is broken is people wanting hand-outs.

Again, this is the attitude that got the rest of the server (including GMs) frustrated in the first place.

You need to get past this way of thinking or nothing will come out of the debates.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, this is the attitude that got the rest of the server (including GMs) frustrated in the first place.

You need to get past this way of thinking or nothing will come out of the debates.

let the gm"s speak for themselves....i doubt that is what gm"s plural think

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

let the gm"s speak for themselves....i doubt that is what gm"s plural think

Again, read Rogeans front page post, you fucking moron

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Ungriim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, read Rogeans front page post, you fucking moron

Even though I agree that Rogean was very specific, Alarti's point was about multiple GMs, not just Rogean.

We need to not yell AT each other, we need to be talking WITH each other and come to an agreement everyone can live with (not just the "hardcore", not just the "casuals").

[Ungriim]

This is something that would last in velious and in no way would affect velious mobs. 100% guarantee that velious will be FFA for AT LEAST the first year. So in reality, if velious beta is near, we all miss out on MAYBE 4 of each "major" classic/kunark target and then go into velious live. Grow the fuck up.

[Ungriim]

I apologize. It's just hard for me to understand how roughly ~16% of raid mobs being given up to 80% of the server is even an issue, when velious is so near.

[Yinikren]

The problem is no one wants agree because the ones that think they hold power have far too much to lose.

Rogean isn't going to let TMO raid until TMO agrees to some plan to help the raid scene. TMO will never agree to anything that loses them a good potion of mobs to help, oh, every other guild that wants to raid.

Someone has to concede, and we know the ones who need to are the ones who got us in this whole mess.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A very hardcore guild wouldn't be satisfied without ct/vs/trak/VP.
The reason for this entire concept is the lack of hardcore.

Get off that purp before you post Turp

Lol. Get off your high horse.
A very hardcore guild that is serious about what items they want
(not rot / item blocking) could settle with no VP or just PD etc. Changing monthly/weekly or w.e
Those "hardcore" that want VP dragon rot #1,000 s at 3 am. Would need not apply. The other targets I could see on the list.
I never even have done more than briefly think on this subject so no reason to go to in depth. Unless it has to happen.

The reason for this entire concept is the lack of hardcore.
I believe "the reason for this entire concept" of these posts, is actually total opposite of what you claim. Instead of being a lack of hardcore community, It is that the hardcore people have to many within it wanting rot # 5000 and not enough hardcore players leaders cared to give up 1-2 mobs to the less hardcore casuals. Ending up in a bunch of posts this week. To many ruthless hardcore's wanting rot #5001, they crave it.

Ending up in this concept of forum questing for mobs.