not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by JanitorGotGriefedOffBox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casual guilds occasionally did beat other guilds to these targets in off hours when people were asleep.

There was usually a guild filled with another nationality that got all of your off hour spawns.

what off hours? On live the top guilds had the timers on all the mobs we killed. only off hour spawns were random maintenance resets...

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you still think I'm vouching for anything other than getting rid of variance, something that I've more than once admitted won't happen?

You keep responding to things I've never even remotely said nor insinuated. Who is using my forum account and what have they been saying?

point is anything that happens will favor an organized zerg and you will still be complaining.

[quido]

Tokenquest sounds stupid. It necessitates that guilds of equal footing share an equal amount of mobs. This is stupid.

I'm taking a nap for a couple hours. Despite the whimsical ignorance of some of these suggestions, I think this is actually a rather fruitful discussion. I'll catch up later =) Have a swell evening!

[kotton05]

1. no, add a pre-variance.
2. ok that'd be cool.
3. VP noCSR , its the mecca of kunark, i enjoy my dragon buddies in there to much to not wanna help them kill tmo.

[enr4ged]

Originally Posted by 46shadesofgway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I agree, you have to look at it from a server-staff standpoint. They're not going to want to have every raid mob petitioned and then have to sort through logs and determine who got FTE. The shouts settle the matter without ever needing to escalate.

Edit: It's also worth noting, that if there were no variance more than just FE/TMO would be showing up to raids. There would be 5+ guilds probably sitting there and waiting. If there were no shouts, and a GM had to rule individually each team can you imagine the crys of "favoritism" and RnF drama that would go on in the interem each and every team? The shouts would be 100% non-partial and indisputable. Things are bad enough when there is an FTE dispute WITH variance. Imagine if there wasn't any.

I'd take an FTE fight over the current variance any day.......

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please tell me specifically why this system would not work, please be specific, and I will debate you on the merits of your points.

1. Remove Variance
2. Add FTE Shout
3. Remove Play Nice Policy exemption from Veeshan's Peak.

if you like having 200ppl on top of the top targets and whoever gets the first hit gets the attempt for the guild then it will work for you. it's an awful system. if that is your definition of fun more power to you. you will get more loot than you do now hypothetically, but the enjoyment of doing the encounter as a guild will be ruined.

this server is fukd until more content comes out.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is what i'm not getting. people are acting like casual guilds were killing trak/vs/etc on live when kunark was the top content available. i'd be willing to bet a paycheck on non rotation servers, this only happened when new content became available and the top guilds moved on to greener pastures. Of course when velious/luclin/etc come out guilds are going to be able to do ct/inny/trak/vs/vp etc a lot more regularly...

Casual guilds were not killing Trak/VS/Sev on live because they were all L50 due to the rapid release of expacs and the fact that the strats weren't known. It wasn't because they weren't willing to track/batphone . . . which wasn't necessary

[Skope]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

point is anything that happens will favor an organized zerg and you will still be complaining.

Hold on, so the point is that you're going to reply in defense of things I've never said?

You're like a young alarti! Disregard what the person actually says, fill in what you want them to say and then argue until you're blue in the face, pointing out that it is clearly they who complain too much.

I like this game. Let me give it a go.

- No, Jeremy, you shouldn't bake your puppy. I don't care what the recipe says!

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please tell me what exactly would be the point of being a zerg guild would be in that instance that being 3 guilds would not accomplish?

That is exactly the point of removing Variance. It does not favor the zerg, it's classic, and it will work.

the loot would be pooled between the 1 guild instead of split amongst 3? Are you thinking before you type this stuff?

removing variance is classic 100% agreed. it is also classic to have new content released in a much faster manner so that guilds move on and do not monopolize content like what is happening now. also removing variance will still favor the zerg as they can split raid forces as i've already said.

[jijii]

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