Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's simple math.

A Mob with 8000 HP is dying in 40 seconds with 2 Enchanters.

A Mob with 8000 HP is dying in 26 seconds with 3 Enchanters.

100 DPS is giving you 14 seconds back per kill. That is saving 30 seconds per hour, assuming a 30 minute respawn. You are going to run out of mobs to kill before respawns in both cases, and you aren't saving enough time to get an extra cycle of respawns in a single play session.

Good luck trying to clear hs west with 2 enchanters before respawns.

Bizarre theory you’ve come up with.

[fortior]

Legit pick up the druid for ports and long snares on charm pets.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

May I ask: are there *ANY* scenarios where Shaman is superior to a Mage, Druid and Necro in a 2 Enchanter and 1 Cleric group?

Because, from what I'm gathering, it must be extremely niche.

Druid maybe. Necro no. Mage likely not either.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good luck trying to clear hs west with 2 enchanters before respawns.

Bizarre theory you’ve come up with.

If you can't clear them before respawns with 2 Enchanters, you can't do it with 3 either. Again, you are saving 14 seconds per kill on a mob with 8000 HP.

[fortior]

A raid geared necro with willsapper is also crazy. Or staff of the silent star, that thing procs like a beast. With FD/instant clicky invis you can get to camps super fast, even in normally very hostile zones like DN rat tunnels.

The more I think about this, the more the thought that shamans add any meaningful utility compared to literally any other caster or priest is hilarious to me haha. Maaaybe mages are more onedimensional, but you can do some pretty cool pulling tricks with CotH to single pull juggs in seb etc. Nobody even mentioned track, which is something druids get a good version of and which along with ports is a huge huge W for your xping/cash camping group. You get to the camp before anyone else, you see which mobs are up before anyone else... you'll walk all over the groups who have to carry along a slow as fuck shaman.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A raid geared necro with willsapper is also crazy. Or staff of the silent star, that thing procs like a beast. With FD/instant clicky invis you can get to camps super fast, even in normally very hostile zones like DN rat tunnels.

The more I think about this, the more the thought that shamans add any meaningful utility compared to literally any other caster or priest is hilarious to me haha. Maaaybe mages are more onedimensional, but you can do some pretty cool pulling tricks with CotH to single pull juggs in seb etc. Nobody even mentioned track, which is something druids get a good version of and which along with ports is a huge huge W for your xping/cash camping group. You get to the camp before anyone else, you see which mobs are up before anyone else... you'll walk all over the groups who have to carry along a slow as fuck shaman.

They don’t. Dsm is just defending this to the death.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is picking one class or another over the ability to do WW dragons.

You should have used something like Puppet Show for your argument. At least thrones are worth farming.

Just dsm reaching again. Ww dragons are easy. 3 enc animations could kill them. They just don’t because they are off doing better things.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just dsm reaching again. Ww dragons are easy. 3 enc animations could kill them. They just don’t because they are off doing better things.

It's not reaching. I would love to see a video of this if you have it. The 55 Enchanter animation is barely better than the 55 Shaman pet, and it cannot tank a slowed WW Dragon. You would be doing a lot of pet resummoning.

[Gloomlord]

I mean, if the moment came where I needed a tanky class in order to do some mob in a zone, screw the caster only composition, because I'm grabbing myself a Warrior or knight.

Why would I need a completely redundant Shaman?

[fortior]

Well there's a period on the server where shamans are fantastic, but that window pretty much closes permanently once velious releases. Massive stats on items, unslowable mobs, and charm doesn't get reeled in until later.

DSM sounds like someone who has been stuck with the very limited toolbox of a shaman for a long time, and he probably just doesn't even know about the crazy things other classes can do (together). Like there's no way this dude knows about coth pulling.