Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also: answer Cyxthryth's post. He just poked a hole in your shoddy reasoning, and you're ignoring him.

DSM continuously ignores him. Cyx logic is way too strong for DSM to handle.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The enc animations along with a mage pet could easily kill ww dragons. This is a silly argument. WW dragons are child’s play.

May I ask: are there *ANY* scenarios where Shaman is superior to a Mage, Druid and Necro in a 2 Enchanter and 1 Cleric group?

Because, from what I'm gathering, it must be extremely niche.

[Toxigen]

Nobody gives a fuck about WW dragons lol.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody gives a fuck about WW dragons lol.

If you can do more camps with one composition over another, why limit yourself?

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM continuously ignores him. Cyx logic is way too strong for DSM to handle.

He did not poke any holes, nor has he ever done so in his copy/paste nonsense.

The default assumption for any group is they want to level to 60. That is the purpose of leveling. That is not a contrived precondition. If you don't plan on leveling to 60 with this group, "efficiency" doesn't really matter. Why do you need to level quickly and then stop playing at 45?

[fortior]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, not true.

If you're going the untwinked route, shaman stat buffs are great for melee.

But this is a 4 person all caster/priest group. So in the context of the thread, you're correct [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, shamans are fantastic until melees start capping out their relevant stats. They don't scale well with mob numbers either due to their relative lack of CC. A cleric/enc duo can DA hold/AE mez to instantly break a whole room of mobs with 100% safety, there are things which shamans just can't ever do no matter the gear. If this was about soloing you could make the argument that shamans combine healing with slowing, but in a 4-man group you don't need to put both of those tasks on the same character. You can have the cleric heal and the enchanter slow.

If you even want a slow, that is. Underestimating damage shield dps is another classic noob mistake, especially if you're playing fast and loose with charm pets (no reason not to if you've got 2-3)

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can do more camps with one composition over another, why limit yourself?



He did not poke any holes, nor has he ever done so in his copy/paste nonsense.

The default assumption for any group is they want to level to 60. That is the purpose of leveling. That is not a contrived precondition. If you don't plan on leveling to 60 with this group, "efficiency" doesn't really matter. Why do you need to level quickly and then stop playing at 45?

Nobody is picking one class or another over the ability to do WW dragons.

You should have used something like Puppet Show for your argument. At least thrones are worth farming.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is picking one class or another over the ability to do WW dragons.

Next.

Nobody is picking 3 Enchanters to get the same amount of XP per hour as 2 Enchanters. Next.

[Gloomlord]

But the group was for 4, genius.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is picking 3 Enchanters to get the same amount of XP per hour as 2 Enchanters. Next.

Yeah certainly 50% more dps wouldn't help at all. Ever. You're right...what was I thinking?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah certainly 50% more dps wouldn't help at all. Ever. You're right.

It's simple math.

A Mob with 8000 HP is dying in 40 seconds with 2 Enchanters.

A Mob with 8000 HP is dying in 26 seconds with 3 Enchanters.

100 DPS is giving you 14 seconds back per kill. That is saving 30 seconds per hour, assuming a 30 minute respawn. You are going to run out of mobs to kill before respawns in both cases, and you aren't saving enough time to get an extra cycle of respawns in a single play session. Long spawn times cause DPS to fall off sharply after a certain amount, which is why you don't see 6 player XP groups very often.