Project Quarm - 1 Box Planes of Power

[Rager and Quitter]

I played on TAKP for a little while a couple times here and there and never had any issue with the client.

What are the major differences between the current TAKP client and what Quarm will be using?

I'm one of those weird people that spends the vast majority of my EQ time in first person even on P99, but I bounce out with mouse scroll to check surroundings and whatnot.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Re: the client.

p1999 client = Titanium + mods
PQ client = TAKP client + mods = EQMac client updated + mods

This should temper everyone's expectations regarding initial Project Quarm population. For many the PQ client will be a downgrade from the experience of what p99 currently offers although it would be an upgrade from what live was at the time classic released.

P99 Titanium client is really something special. Folks love it despite its non-classicness. Devs done a great job with it modifying it to 'feel right' and in era. Possibly one of p1999's best open secret weapons. You won't find code for p99's client on github like you can with TAKP.

You're fooling urself if u think titanium and p99 feels in era and classic.

They got a lot of little things right here. They got oh so many absolutely wrong and in glaringly bad ways.

[drackgon]

I for one, am greatly looking forward to this. I truly appreciate them bringing this to us. It probably will have issues, and growing pains, just like p99. But I am down to enjoy the ride.
I've done Shards,Takp,p99, and Wayfarer's Haven. P99 is by far the best, that I've enjoyed.

Big things that makes it make or break for me will be.

Boxing-This is what turned me off from Shards and Wayfarers. It just kills the fun for me, I play to play with others. End of story.

QoL-I am not a has to be 1000% like it was in classic, I am fine with minor QoL changes, and seems Secrets and team has that in mind.

CSR- I don't have the long history of blue/red GMs. Can only say, good CSRs are vital for any server, hopefully Quarms team is all about my next item. (Wayfarers had the best)

Community- all EQ servers I've played on. Wayfarers, crapped all over the others. Which I believed stemmed from CSR's who didnt take BS from cancerous players. Players who caused issues, seem to been banned hammered quickly. This left generally super friendly, helpful, and less backstabby people on server. This server had the best community, that felt more like classic EQ on Erollisi Marr then P99

Raiding- So far though the rules have changed a little. I believe Secrets rotation style raiding scene is the best. Once into Luclin, PoP. There wont be an issue. But p99 can easily show how little content, that's a bottle neck is rough. (cough greens fear release into Thanos snap)

Classic- At first I didn't think it was going to be as classic as we wanted. But their spending the effort to make it that way. Ie legacy stuff, Hybrid exp penalty. I hope to keep seeing more and more. This just takes tons of effort.

[Seducio]

Project Quarm is something I am excited about. In lieu of Green 2.0 it is the closest we'll get to a classic experience until Green 2.0 comes out. At which point Quarm will most likely be in a different expansion. Assuming Secrets maintains the 9 month expansion release schedule this appears to be a tentative timeline that players could expect. (Subject to change prior to launch.)

10-1-2023 Project Quarm launches
1-1-2024 Legacy Items removed
7-1-2024 Kunark Launches
4-1-2025 Velious Lauches
1-1-2026 Luclin Launches
10-1-2026 PoP Launches

I predict that many P99ers that try Project Quarm will have some issues with the client. Mousewheel and the camera are very smooth on the Titanium client. P99ers have grown accustomed to this. On the Project Quarm it is a not quite as smooth. It's an special add on to the EQMac client that TAKP doesn't have. It isn't quite as robust as P99's mousewheel as that came built into Titanium, which was from many years after Velious was released.

There are a few fixes that help with Project Quarms mousewheel, but none make it quite as good as p99. One fix is to limit the fps to 60, 45, or eve 30 rather than unlimited. Another fix is to Invert Y axis in options. The last fix is to use /inspect off to turn off inspecting yourself. These three will help you get closer to a p99 experience although it won't be the same. Secrets has said this might get looked at for improvement down the line, but it currently isn't a priority compared with other tasks to get the server going.

P99ers that can get over the client differences will be able to relive a Classic like experience in one months time. Then starting Jan 1st 2026 PQ will release Luclin followed by PoP later in the year further separating it philosophy wise from other one box EMU like p99.

[Evia]

crazy to think we will have to wait until 2026 before we get to taste luclin

[Seducio]

TAKP is a great place to check out Luclin in the meantime.

[Vexenu]

I really wish they'd consider just leaving the legacy items out from the beginning. The toxic behavior those camps inevitably encourage just isn't worth it, especially in the crucial early months of the server's life. Plus, it's really not classic seeing so many people running around with them anyway. No one NEEDS a Guise or a Manastone to play EQ. But a lot of people apparently think they do, and almost 100% of those people are guaranteed to be complete assholes, and are definitely not the sort of players you want to cater toward.

The necessity of /list on Green should be instructive. It was a solid creative effort by the Devs to avoid a completely unmanageable, toxic fiasco at those camps on a daily basis, but it still had a ton of drawbacks and encouraged a lot of really unhealthy behavior. Given that the stated goal of Quarm leans toward quality of life over strict, diabolical adherence to What's Classic™, this seems like the sort of change that a lot of people would actually appreciate.

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really wish they'd consider just leaving the legacy items out from the beginning. The toxic behavior those camps inevitably encourage just isn't worth it, especially in the crucial early months of the server's life. Plus, it's really not classic seeing so many people running around with them anyway. No one NEEDS a Guise or a Manastone to play EQ. But a lot of people apparently think they do, and almost 100% of those people are guaranteed to be complete assholes, and are definitely not the sort of players you want to cater toward.

The necessity of /list on Green should be instructive. It was a solid creative effort by the Devs to avoid a completely unmanageable, toxic fiasco at those camps on a daily basis, but it still had a ton of drawbacks and encouraged a lot of really unhealthy behavior. Given that the stated goal of Quarm leans toward quality of life over strict, diabolical adherence to What's Classic™, this seems like the sort of change that a lot of people would actually appreciate.

I don't really get this perspective. If I were you and had this mindset yet still wanted to play classic it would mean I could go everywhere except these three camps: drelzna, EE, and ass/sup during the first three months of the server life and avoid the exact types of players I don't like. As long as you pick up jboots in oot after Month 4 and don't need a stone or a guise then everyone wins.

Almost as if the devs were looking out for casuals who didn't care about legacy items by creating a magnetic effect to certains camps/parts of the game you could purposefully avoid.

Those who want to weather legacy item camps can and those that want to avoid that drama can be rest assured most of those willing to fight for the legacy items are tied up for the first 3 months.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really get this perspective. If I were you and had this mindset yet still wanted to play classic it would mean I could go everywhere except these three camps: drelzna, EE, and ass/sup during the first three months of the server life and avoid the exact types of players I don't like. As long as you pick up jboots in oot after Month 4 and don't need a stone or a guise then everyone wins.

Almost as if the devs were looking out for casuals who didn't care about legacy items by creating a magnetic effect to certains camps/parts of the game you could purposefully avoid.

Those who want to weather legacy item camps can and those that want to avoid that drama can be rest assured most of those willing to fight for the legacy items are tied up for the first 3 months.

The problem is that everyone wants these items, because they are objectively powerful, and so will try to obtain them if they are available. But their very existence creates a perverse incentive, because their strictly limited droppable timeline creates an artificial scarcity that encourages toxic player behavior. On Green you had people staying awake for days at time, sharing accounts or using third-party programs to remain on the list. And in the absence of a feature like /list on Quarm, the competition will be even more brutal, and play behavior will be commensurately more toxic. This not only creates a miserable server environment for players, it necessitates extensive GM intervention, both of which are highly undesirable outcomes.

When you dangle a very desirable reward in front of people, they will invariably be tempted to go after it, even if by doing so they are forced to engage in behavior they would otherwise find objectionable, or perhaps even unthinkable. For an example of this phenomenon, remember the show 'Fear Factor'? Yeah. The same psychology that drives someone to eat a plateful of cockroaches for a chance at winning $50,000 also underlies their desire to spend 45 straight hours camping a Manastone, or (in the absence of a list) KSing or training other players to steal one. It is simply human nature: when the reward is attractive enough and seemingly just within our reach, we'll do just about anything to obtain it.

The only ways to avoid the disruption caused by legacy items is to either 1) leave them in the game indefinitely, or 2) remove them entirely. The former would create an environment that is completely unclassic, as literally everyone would be running around with Guises and Manastones. But the latter would create an environment that is actually much closer to the EQ that most people played, where legacy items were very rare. This is why I view it as the best option. Frankly, there is no ideal solution to the problem of legacy items. But if they were to be left in-game and not removed entirely, I think a good compromise would be simply adding them to the Naggy/Vox loot table as rare drops. This would maintain a high level of scarcity on these items (preserving both their value and the classic feel) while removing the artificial time limit constraints on them (which largely removes the toxicity they create at their respective camps).

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that everyone wants these items, because they are objectively powerful, and so will try to obtain them if they are available.

Everyone? So many assumptions here. Incredibly uncompelling way to look at things. With solutions to imagined problems that look like you are considering a different custom server altogether and not what Secrets has in mind.

First off assuming PQ's population will be like Green's is probably more of a goal than a given. PQ would be very happy if that happens. The odds are it won't be THAT successful. At first anyhow. Over time who knows.

If you as a human want to avoid the 'disruption of camping highly desirable items' as you called it. You can literally avoid those camps. This is a choice as single human with his own decision making capacity (in theory anyhow) that you can make. Why create rules for others on a camp that you don't like participating in. Literally pretend they don't exist it won't change the way you play the game.

I'll call BS on the fact that these items are that great in the long run on a PoP server.
It's mostly epeen in the long run. Eventually adults outgrow caring about epeen.