If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[corradojeff]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I agree it does serve a good purpose, I think it is sad that we need this crutch to be good.

I consider myself a kind and good person even though I have no religious affiliation. I don't like how I am considered evil because I am agnostic by some people who are religious.

Like Beauregard says, I would like to see religion done away with. I am sure over time it will happen. More and more people are turning to Atheism and Agnosticism. Democracies always move left. The US is just moving a bit slower than other western nations.

People shouldn't need to believe in a God to be good. Of all our human qualities, I think this depresses me most of all.

Asher

I fully agree and I should have made it clear in my post. I was speaking about the people who have a belief in a god not the people who don't. The only point the people who don't believe should have taken away is that because the idea exists, makes it real in the sense that it nudges people in certain directions.

I don't believe our lack of religion should make us "black sheep". It is hypocritical of religious people to judge our non religion, but most do.

[Dunes]

Originally Posted by Beauregard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed completely except the premise that religion is good. I would argue it used to be good, and has outlived its purpose. We have science now.

My thing is this; until we have a bonafide big brother that can monitor what every being on the planet is doing (or atleast persons of interest) in real time, fear of God is going to keep the religious segment of society straight (for the most part).

For myself and others that are borderline agnostic all the way to atheistic, its fear of getting caught. But what if you KNOW your not going to get caught? What if you find yourself starving to death in the middle of the desert (roll with me here), and all you have is a knife and a flask of water. Youve been wandering this desert for days, and your without a doubt about to starve to death. Then you come across a solitary old hermit with a backpack of food. You beg, you plead, you strut around aggressively, but still he will not give you his bread crumbs. Whats to stop you from knocking the old man out and boosting his food but fear of divine retribution?

I imagine we would all deal with this differently. Im borderline, so rather than say "God will take care of me, I have no fear." (a 1) or "Screw you old man, Im taking your food because Im near death and no one will ever know." (a 7), I would probably do my absolutely best to befriend the old man, follow him, try to learn how/where he gets his food, and, worse case scenario hope (not to God; more likely hope based on odds) that he takes pity on me and shares a bit of food. The whole question of "Is my life more important than his?" wouldnt come up at all. It would be more likely, "Whats it going to take for me to get out of this damned desert short of killing this man, or dooming him to certain death." Fine line

[quellren]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to allow them to share with you, you can simply not answer the door.

That's not really the point. The point is it's socially acceptable for, lets hypothetically say, someone to knock on my door on a Saturday morning and immediately launch into a 'Have you invited Jesus into your life?' speech, yet if I were to knock on a door and ask 'Have you accepted that you stand here not due to a magic man in the sky willing it, but through millions of years of refinement and adaptation of genetic material?', I'd at least be cursed at and the door slammed in my face. A few houses later, I'd probably have the Po-Po circling the block looking for me.

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where in the Bible does it claim the Earth is 6,000 years old? Find it, bring it back to me...I dare you to read it cover-to-cover and show me where it says the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

I actually have read the Bible, cover to cover. I like it. It has MANY MANY good lessons for life. Pretty much every one is allegorical.
As for the Earth being 6000 years old: It's pretty well accepted by creationists. Unless the Earth's rotation, and thus length of days, months and years has DRASTICALLY changed between the moment of 'creation' and the beginning of recorded history, it's fairly easy to figure out. God created 'The heavens and the earth on day 1. Adam was created on day 6. So the 'earth' is roughly one week older than people and animals. Assuming that unless otherwise specified (Methuselah, Noah, and a few other notables) the lifespan of a person was similar to now, lets say 80-100 years, all one has to do is count the generations laid out in the early books of the Old Testament. That outlines about 1500 years. Then we just have to look at biblical figures that aren't directly tied to lineage...King Herod, for example. There are other, non-religious texts that corroborate his birth and death. That places him chronologically in time, and also in context to other figures in the Bible.

Your move, Holy man.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This is a photograph of a very small region of our night sky ( the large picture of all these galaxies are all found within that red box in the lower hand corner). In this photo is over thousands of galaxies.

I'm trying to paint a picture of how obscenely fast and magnificent the universe is, and when you see it this way, you really can't doubt that there IS life else where, be it single cell organisms or intelligent beings.

Now who comes off as the arrogant one? The Atheist who believes it is very plausible there is life else where, or the Theist who, despite knowing how vast and amazing this universe is, still think we are SO special and that "God" created us, and all the animals, on just one rock in a very AVERAGE galaxy in a small solar system.

Lol where does it say that if you believe in a God or Gods that you have to believe we are the only intelligent life in all of existence?

Refer back to the straw man post. You're inventing an argument to refute because you lack the capability to do so with the real argument.

You are so fucking dumb because of that kind of "debate" you're attempting.

It's not because you're an atheist.
It's not because we can't put a hole into your feeble "arguments".
It's because you are quite literally and simply, a moron.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've obviously never read it, so are therefore ignorant, so seriously stop spewing your propaganda all over the forums seriously dude. You've never been more wrong about anything.

Because if you knew anything about it, you'd know that Jesus wasn't around when Elijah was called up in a chariot of fire to Heaven, one of the few who have lived to not encounter death. So I guess he's in Hell according to you, since ya know, Jesus hadn't come yet?

he went to heaven alive riding a chariot of fire? and that's the truth right?

And you believe in magic too? do you believe Stanta is real as well?
How about dragons?

and you are here debating to everyone about god and telling us not to spew our blasphemy on internet. and act all high and mighty.

You are a good example of people who give religions a bad name.

Yes, before the "church" existed, there was humanity, humanity has been around for a lot longer then any religion.
Religion hasn't even been around for a significant amount of time... well Christianism anyways... 2000 years?

What about all the Hindu gods? if you believe in those instead of Jesus and his father, do you still go to hell? or Budah? or what if I start my own cult/religion? (sorry for boggling your mind there with more blasphemy I should know there is only one true god)

Also, if god didn't intend for the church to act the way they do "gime money or go to hell, ohh and little boys are accepted to" does this mean that all churchmen will go to hell?

I can totally picture you telling the pope he will go to hell! (sry more blasphemy)

In conclusion, you can always turn around and say "but you have no proof god doesn't exist"

That will always be true.
But it's well documented trough out history that your religion is a load of crap and that it's main purpose has been to control and oppress people! (and to get money and little boys).


Have your self a very nice day!

[maegi]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi my name is Chtutu and I like arguing about stupid shit on emulated everquest forums cause I aint got shit to do IRL

^^^^
THIS

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Beauregard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed completely except the premise that religion is good. I would argue it used to be good, and has outlived its purpose. We have science now.

Religion was our first attempt at damn near everything. Philosophy, Medicine, Astronomy, Morality, etc. We have transcended religion in every aspect.

Example of inferior religious morality - god has a clear stance on homosexuality, yet we now know they are born that way and we shouldn't discriminate against them because they aren't sinning. So we have 2 camps in America that hold the two different opinions, where it shouldn't even be an issue.

What are you talking about, religion pretty much stopped evolution for a (relatively speaking) long time.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol where does it say that if you believe in a God or Gods that you have to believe we are the only intelligent life in all of existence?

Refer back to the straw man post. You're inventing an argument to refute because you lack the capability to do so with the real argument.

You are so fucking dumb because of that kind of "debate" you're attempting.

It's not because you're an atheist.
It's not because we can't put a hole into your feeble "arguments".
It's because you are quite literally and simply, a moron.

You try so hard. I respect you, though. You're the only red neck that at least TRIES to convey that they know what a fallacy is.


Why would God create such a vast universe if it is only for those on the planet Earth? What purpose does the universe hold? Frankly, God has not revealed all the answers, but he has shared at least some of the reasons:

* LIGHT, TIME-KEEPING AND NAVIGATION. Scripture tells us that God created the Sun, Moon and stars to give light (brightening the utter darkness of the night sky) and to assist mankind (Genesis 1:14-15, etc.). That's right, one of the reasons that God made the Moon, solar system and stars was to provide a way for us to distinguish the passage of time (days, months and years) and predict the coming of seasons. Without these heavenly bodies, the job of keeping time and navigation would have been far more difficult. We learn from history that from the earliest days, ancient peoples used the movement of stars in producing their calendars and finding their way across great distances, just as God designed from the beginning. It may be that even some migrating birds make use of the constellations.
*

GLORIFYING THE CREATOR. Another purpose for the myriad of stars is to bring glory to God—focusing man's attention on the Creator's awesome power and greatness. Psalm 19:1 states,

“The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.”

The vastness of the universe is a tremendous expression of God's might and power. God is greater than we could ever imagine, even greater that His spectacular creation, the universe. Psalm 8:1,3,9 states,

“O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth, Who hast displayed Thy splendor above the heavens! …When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained; …O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth!”

When we consider the vastness of the universe, let us meditate upon the glory of God, not on dreaming up fantasies of alien beings.

The Bible does not teach that intelligent life exists elsewhere in our universe. Although our all-powerful God could have created such life had He desired, it seems rather obvious from Scripture that He did not. The timetable for this present universe is measured by God's dealings with us. It appears that God has created the human race, on the planet called Earth, as the sole beneficiary of His fellowship. This fellowship is of such a unique design that we are told that God's only true extra-terrestrial creations—angels—are eager to observe it in action. It is our privilege to be the center of attention in our vast and wonder-filled universe.

The bible states that God made the universe to show his power and to give us something to look at in the night sky. Besides, other life on other planets would contradict the bible. You don't see anywhere in the bible saying that he also made other things in the universe on his free time.

The ironic part is that you try so hard to sound intelligent; yet you continue to put your foot in your mouth when you start insulting and using ad hominems. Maybe you should look what that is, up.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You try so hard. I respect you, though. You're the only red neck that at least TRIES to convey that they know what a fallacy is.


Why would God create such a vast universe if it is only for those on the planet Earth? What purpose does the universe hold? Frankly, God has not revealed all the answers, but he has shared at least some of the reasons:

* LIGHT, TIME-KEEPING AND NAVIGATION. Scripture tells us that God created the Sun, Moon and stars to give light (brightening the utter darkness of the night sky) and to assist mankind (Genesis 1:14-15, etc.). That's right, one of the reasons that God made the Moon, solar system and stars was to provide a way for us to distinguish the passage of time (days, months and years) and predict the coming of seasons. Without these heavenly bodies, the job of keeping time and navigation would have been far more difficult. We learn from history that from the earliest days, ancient peoples used the movement of stars in producing their calendars and finding their way across great distances, just as God designed from the beginning. It may be that even some migrating birds make use of the constellations.
*

GLORIFYING THE CREATOR. Another purpose for the myriad of stars is to bring glory to God—focusing man's attention on the Creator's awesome power and greatness. Psalm 19:1 states,

“The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.”

The vastness of the universe is a tremendous expression of God's might and power. God is greater than we could ever imagine, even greater that His spectacular creation, the universe. Psalm 8:1,3,9 states,

“O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth, Who hast displayed Thy splendor above the heavens! …When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained; …O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth!”

When we consider the vastness of the universe, let us meditate upon the glory of God, not on dreaming up fantasies of alien beings.

The Bible does not teach that intelligent life exists elsewhere in our universe. Although our all-powerful God could have created such life had He desired, it seems rather obvious from Scripture that He did not. The timetable for this present universe is measured by God's dealings with us. It appears that God has created the human race, on the planet called Earth, as the sole beneficiary of His fellowship. This fellowship is of such a unique design that we are told that God's only true extra-terrestrial creations—angels—are eager to observe it in action. It is our privilege to be the center of attention in our vast and wonder-filled universe.

The bible states that God made the universe to show his power and to give us something to look at in the night sky. Besides, other life on other planets would contradict the bible. You don't see anywhere in the bible saying that he also made other things in the universe on his free time.

The ironic part is that you try so hard to sound intelligent; yet you continue to put your foot in your mouth when you start insulting and using ad hominems. Maybe you should look what that is, up.

That's a lot of words that didn't answer what I said.

Where does it say that if a person believes in a God or Gods that they are required to also believe that we are the only intelligent life in the whole of existence?

Answer it.

Don't fucking dodge it with a bunch of quotes that you don't understand nor have the faculties to begin to from a book you've never read.

Don't dodge it with a youtube video.

Don't dodge it with a cute picture that furthers the proof you're as dumb as you appear to be.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a lot of words that didn't answer what I said.

Where does it say that if a person believes in a God or Gods that they are required to also believe that we are the only intelligent life in the whole of existence?

Answer it.

Don't fucking dodge it with a bunch of quotes that you don't understand nor have the faculties to begin to from a book you've never read.

Don't dodge it with a youtube video.

Don't dodge it with a cute picture that furthers the proof you're as dumb as you appear to be.

All the major religions have a book that is supposed to be written by God. Those religions require you to obey and take these books as the word of God. If these books state that the universe was made by God to prove his powers and give us something to talk about, then any self-proclaimed Theist would take the word in the bible (or any other religion's book) as the truth and would not try to postulate something different, because that would be against what "God" said; which is, of course, blasphemy,